Ramsey Clark

Bob Fort

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If anyone reading this can describe Clark's motives in representing Saddam, please respond to this post. I need to understand it.
 

alden135

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Re: Ramsey Clark

Didn't the Nazis have Allied lawyers at Neuremburg?
 

JB

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The trial and its outcome need to be credible to the world.<br /><br />Clark is trying to ensure that it is.<br /><br />Also, what Alden said.
 

Pony

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Re: Ramsey Clark

I can see his motivation......wouldnt necessarily want to be him though
 

Elmer Fudge

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Well Bob, i really don't care to understand anyone's motive when it comes to Saddam, if he meets with the executioner or not it really matters not, one thing is for sure, going forth Saddam will never see or know what freedom is, even if he is released from prison.<br />Thats good enough for me ;)
 

tommays

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i think he is as low and worthless as a person can get and is not worth keeping alive <br /><br />BUT<br /><br />right now the first thing there trying him for is killing people who were involved in a plot to kill him and overthrow the goverment a LONG TIME AGO<br /><br />it would seem to me that there are more recent events that should be easery to prove and get him out of the picture<br /><br />the people will never fell safe until his final fate is decieded <br /><br />at the current rate of progress he will die of old age before a fair trial is held for each event he killed his people in<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

rodbolt

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my guess is they will kangaroo him right quick and execute him. trial will be a sham. <br /> and the way the US set up the court rules they can execute him on the first conviction.<br /> dead dictators dont talk. <br /> I hope I am wrong and he gets a fair trial then executed but if its an obvious sham trail we lose even more credibilty in the world.<br /> I just wonder how the Bush administration would react if a group of west virginians plotted and attempted an assasination .<br /><br /> dont get me wrong, I have no love lost on saddam. but now that he is in custody the trail needs to be a fair one, even ted bundy and Dahmer got a fair one.<br /> its a fundemental part of america, if we lose it we are sunk.<br /> sometimes I think it would have been better if he had been a man like his boys and gone out fighting.
 

Bob Fort

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Re: Ramsey Clark

OK, I get all of the above.<br /><br />Aren't there individuals, causes, situations here in the USA that could use his attention? Why go into the Saddam thing, just for the personal pub?<br /><br />Too many needs here for his "expertise," I would think. So, I question his motives...among many things I question about his career.
 

KaGee

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Bob, <br /><br />Anyone who doubts that there is an underlying motivation here to embarrass the administration, flat out does not understand politics in 2005.<br /><br />Although Ramsey Clark is a flaming liberal and as such will always defend the likes of Saddam.
 

mattttt25

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i don't have all the details and especially don't understand everything that goes into his prosecution. but i do think it's tricky business when trying to convict a head of state. countries around the world obviously have different views on things, and i think you could make some argument for both sides. just very difficult to define what a head of state can and can't do in the middle east. sure, in america he'd be guilty and on appeals. he should be prosecuted and found guilty, i just think it's a long and diffcult process. i think he'll end up jailed until he passes.
 

dogsdad

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Ramsey Clark is one of the most despicable people who ever had a public life, in my opinion. But for practical purposes, that does not matter, nor do his motivations matter as long as he is staying within the boundaries of the law.<br /><br />I do suspect his chief motivation is to gain more noteriety. Whatever.
 

treedancer

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I think that Saddam should get a fair trial but he should get a change of venue where it would it be held. How about holding the trial where the Kurds are that is part of Iraq and they for sure have a reason to try him .O yes let Clark help him out up there .
 

POINTER94

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I would agree that the nazi's had allied lawyers but they were in a world court. Sadam is being tried in an Iraqi court and having Clark interject himself into these procedings is highly questionable. He is a former Attorney General of the United States and his track record of success in these matters is dubious at best. The involvement of someone from the liberating army will present appeal opportunities, and will color the legitimacy of the trial. I know he is a liberal icon, and his motives perhaps pure, but he should walk away and find someone more appropriate to handle the case. JMHO<br /><br />Bob, this may be a more direct answer to your question, it is a cut and paste from Salon Magazine.<br /><br />
Those who know him will be less surprised that the inspiration for this circus is former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, whom one long-standing colleague described as "a good man gone ga-ga -- at least 25 years ago." Many liberals and leftists cut Clark a considerable degree of slack. For a start he is almost the only person the American left has had in high public office since World War II, even if it was a retrospective success, since his long march leftward only began afterward. His views as the former attorney general are listened to with a respect that would be accorded to few others with such eccentric opinions. As a revered spokesman of the left, he is a perfect symbol for its near-impotence in American politics today. <br /><br />
 
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