raq on verge of genocidal war, warns ex-US official

[treedancer]

There is a lot of howling on dockside about the corporate ?MSM? covering up things coming out of Iraq. I wonder why the only way a person can hear about this is from the foreign press? Seems to me that this story would be too big for the MSM to ignore.

<< The man who led the initial American effort to reconstruct Iraq after the war believes the country is on the brink of a genocidal civil war and its government will fall apart unless the US changes course and allows a three-way federal structure. He has also urged talks with Iran and other regional players.>>

<<He also disclosed that the US state department official in charge of postwar planning, Thomas Warrick, was prevented from joining his team by Donald Rumsfeld, who was defence secretary. He said he was shocked by the Pentagon's decision to reduce troop levels and disband the Iraqi army.>>

<<Mr Garner also admitted he did not see several of the plans prepared by the Bush administration and does not know why. He also revealed that he rang Mr Rumsfeld to tell him to stop reducing the US troop deployment and warned him that the consequent power vacuums were filling up with " fundamentalists". He also admits he was stunned by the decision in mid-May 2003 to disband the Iraqi army, saying at one stroke, it created a 200,000- strong armed opposition.>>

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,,2105443,00.html#article_continue


This is not coming from some political hack, it is coming from Lt Gen Jay Garner, a veteran of the first gulf war, coaxed out of retirement to be the director of the office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance for Iraq.

He was directly answerable to General Tommy Franks, CentCon head, a veteran of Vietnam, one of the few in this Administration that was still left, and apparently another one that is disillusioned by there policy. At one time he was a close friend o both Vice President Cheney and Rummy, guess that is also in the past.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Hey Mr. Tree. That is the problem when you have a New York Times, (our leading non national city based newspaper) that is so blatently anti American, and they have no problem surpressing news unfriendly to their adjenda, or making up news to serve their adgenda. It is clear that Islam is not a Religion o' Peace, as it is also very clear that some Muslims are good people, (from my own personal relationships). Retired Military are not all reliable sources of information either: look at Wesley Clark for an example.

The fact is that a large number of the players in the Religion o' Peace are doing their best to show the world why a sterilization of their region of their religion or all inhabitants (if there is no way to sort things out) may be what is necessary to go forward. Gaza strip seems what the Democrats want in Iraq, and if the Iraqis don't step up it is likely going to come to that.

History, (over the last 500 years) has only one example of a reasonable Republic where the majority are Muslims: Turkey. Don't know what it would take to get a Turkey type republic in Iraq, but with the Democrats closely working with Islamo facists, it does not look favorable, IMHO. I would say that it looks like a lot of glass may be produced in the Middle East within the next twenty years or so, after a smoldering European or North American city or cities finally gets our undivided non politically correct attention. If we were all working together it still would not be easy to defeat militant Islam. With the enemy within, I don't think it can be done. Hope I'm wrong here.

Victor Davis Hanson has some thoughts on this subject:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/06/civilization.html

Respectfully, JR

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: raq on verge of genocidal war, warns ex-US official

We should have dropped a nuke years ago. Think Hiroshima- long costly war with thousands of US casualties... or a few small nukes. It would work the same way here.

 

[Plainsman]

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I get a kick out of those that say "It's a civil war, we need to get out of Iraq" but in the same breath say that we need to stop the genocide in Rwanda", which in fact in a civil war. So which is it? Stay out of civil wars or just the ones the tree hugger's want us in?

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: raq on verge of genocidal war, warns ex-US official

I get a kick out of those that say "It's a civil war, we need to get out of Iraq" but in the same breath say that we need to stop the genocide in Rwanda", which in fact in a civil war. So which is it? Stay out of civil wars or just the ones the tree hugger's want us in?

One of the reasons I am constantly posing the question: Is Liberalism a mental disorder? Is what you bring up here: Eric.

Jimmy Carter cut off the Shah's military spare parts due to human rights issues. It is hard to disagree with Mr. Carter about the corncern for human rights, but why dynamite one of our most important Middle East allies? The war we are in is a direct cornsequence to that action.

Mr. Clinton ignored the UN and did France's n' old Europe's bidding by intervening in the INTERNAL AFFAIRS of the Balkins on the side of Muslims against our World War II allies: the Serbs. The claims by Ms Albright were "genocide" that turned up totally false. There were no greater killings by the Serbs then the Muslims were doing over a three hundred year period of time. The broken media did not weigh in as Willy's editors did not have an adgenda. We are still there now, BTW.

Liberals always seem to want us to use our precious military to pursue matters where we do not have an interest. If we do have an interest: Vietnam or Iraq they want defeat. They got their precious defeat and profited greatly in the political sense with Vietnam, n' they are workin' the same game with Iraq. Is Liberalism a mental disorder? JR

 

[treedancer]

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Quote Plainsman


I get a kick out of those that say "It's a civil war, we need to get out of Iraq" but in the same breath say that we need to stop the genocide in Rwanda", which in fact in a civil war. So which is it? Stay out of civil wars or just the ones the tree hugger's want us in?

By the above statement I assume that you didn’t bother reading the link, I didn’t see in it about a civil war, of course I might have missed it, don’t think so though. I do know I didn’t say anything about Rwanda; of course we didn’t invade Rwanda on a bunch of lies either did we?



JR, here is what you have droned on, in your two post , New York Times, Religion o' Peace, Gaza strip, , Of course we must not leave out Liberalism a mental disorder, Jimmy Carter, Mr. Clinton, the Balkans, Ms Albright, The only thing that you missed in the above two post is the obligatory mention of homosexuality, which you have been mentioning in your post lately, I guess you didn’t have time too worm it in any of the above post ,keep trying you might have time before this thread dies .

<< False Analogy: In this technique, two things that may or may not really be similar are portrayed as being similar. When examining the comparison, you must ask yourself how similar the items are. In most false analogies, there is simply not enough evidence available to support the comparison.>>

http://academic.cuesta.edu/acasupp/as/404.htm

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Quote Plainsman


I get a kick out of those that say "It's a civil war, we need to get out of Iraq" but in the same breath say that we need to stop the genocide in Rwanda", which in fact in a civil war. So which is it? Stay out of civil wars or just the ones the tree hugger's want us in?

By the above statement I assume that you didn’t bother reading the link, I didn’t see in it about a civil war, of course I might have missed it, don’t think so though. I do know I didn’t say anything about Rwanda; of course we didn’t invade Rwanda on a bunch of lies either did we?



JR, here is what you have droned on, in your two post , New York Times, Religion o' Peace, Gaza strip, , Of course we must not leave out Liberalism a mental disorder, Jimmy Carter, Mr. Clinton, the Balkans, Ms Albright, The only thing that you missed in the above two post is the obligatory mention of homosexuality, which you have been mentioning in your post lately, I guess you didn’t have time too worm it in any of the above post ,keep trying you might have time before this thread dies .

<< False Analogy: In this technique, two things that may or may not really be similar are portrayed as being similar. When examining the comparison, you must ask yourself how similar the items are. In most false analogies, there is simply not enough evidence available to support the comparison.>>

http://academic.cuesta.edu/acasupp/as/404.htm

Forgot to say that most Americans now educated by the public school monopoly corntrolled by the NEA are experts on all aspects of homosexuality n' victimhood!!! Thanks Mr. Tree!! JR

N' on a more serious note: Ret. Col. Ralph Peters has a take on this that is a bit depressing but worth the read for sober clarity, (those who don't like Col Peters blunt frank style please obstain).

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly...why_hamas_won_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm

 

[RubberFrog]

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King Skinny and Princess Merky need to kiss and make up.

 

[rogerwa]

Re: raq on verge of genocidal war, warns ex-US official

I do know I didn’t say anything about Rwanda; of course we didn’t invade Rwanda on a bunch of lies either did we?


Wow, theres a democrat talking point.. Short memories..

This is just one big game of 'say uncle'. The democrats will not stop until GW makes some admission of a mistake. any mistake. doesn't matter so long as it produces a good sound bite to get their candidate in office, who cares what happens to the country, just so long as GW admits error.

I wish the press and democrats would look forward and not back. Hindsight is 20/20, but we still have a job to do. Let all get behind it, get it done, and get on with life. The actions the democrats are taking, just like Al Gore in the 2000 election, is ruining this country and taking us away from the important things.

Lets just say that everything is accurate is this link, does that mean we should cut and run? Or does provide a stronger sense that we need to finish the job. Not a tough choice for me.

Besides if you want the real story check out Fox news sometime..

 

[OldMercsRule]

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King Skinny and Princess Merky need to kiss and make up.

Agreed Rubber, I don't particularly like to be lectured to about my personal nature by the far right, but if I can live with the Libs here in Seattle lecturin' me, I can also live or peacefully coexist here on iboats with Arch Cornservatives from California, jus' so long as they deal with actual words of mine not me personally, (from the images in their nightmare inacurate mind reads they attribute to me), that's all I ask, then I will be a good lil' Princess. JRps: Maybe a PM and a phone call could set things back to "normal" (whatever that is); maybe I'll try that one. Thanks Rubber.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Agreed Rubber, I don't particularly like to be lectured to about my personal nature by the far right, but if I can live with the Libs here in Seattle lecturin' me, I can also live or peacefully coexist here on iboats with Arch Cornservatives from California, jus' so long as they deal with actual words of mine not me personally, (from the images in their nightmare inacurate mind reads they attribute to me), that's all I ask, then I will be a good lil' Princess. JRps: Maybe a PM and a phone call could set things back to "normal" (whatever that is); maybe I'll try that one. Thanks Rubber.

See, you do have some Wedgewood in ya!.......

 

[OldMercsRule]

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See, you do have some Wedgewood in ya!.......

Hmmmm, ya got me Bro, what is Wedgewood, (other then a place in NE Seattle where I used to live populated with Liberals)?? JR

 

[RubberFrog]

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ps: Maybe a PM and a phone call could set things back to "normal" (whatever that is); maybe I'll try that one. Thanks Rubber.

It worked for us! Look how good we get along now!

 

[RubberFrog]

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And I might add that our "dispute" was over (what I felt was) you labeling me as not a true conservative. Seems I let my feelings get in the way of the facts.... so liberal of me.

 

[CJY]

Re: raq on verge of genocidal war, warns ex-US official

I get a kick out of those that say "It's a civil war, we need to get out of Iraq" but in the same breath say that we need to stop the genocide in Rwanda", which in fact in a civil war. So which is it? Stay out of civil wars or just the ones the tree hugger's want us in?

I would get a kick out of it too. BTW, who says that?



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[OldMercsRule]

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And I might add that our "dispute" was over (what I felt was) you labeling me as not a true conservative. Seems I let my feelings get in the way of the facts.... so liberal of me.

Yer right, I used Joe Stalin as an example ta pound ya with, (which I usually do with Libs or Cornservatives I'm debatin'), and ya thought I was callin' ya a Lib, (which I actually wasn't), so ya took my head off.

I also banged ya about votin' fer Clinton, (which I feel is totally understandable in the prosperous 1990's when yer makin lots o' money, n' we are at peace: as Clinton was no Jimmy Carter by any stretch, IMHO), and does not make ya a Lib either, BTW. I know some may disagree with me, but: oh well!!

You did not label me like Skinny did ya just put up a pic of a girl ya thought I would like. Skinny has gone much farther by makin' up words I never said, and then banging me by questioning everything about me including my personal integrity, (that you never did), or if ya did I did not see it.

I hope he calls me as I want to put this to rest. I even like PW2, BB, and Rolmops (believe it or not), so I can very easily get along with Skinny too, if he calls me. I probably should stop bein' sooooo agressive with CJY too, (fer labelin' 12Footer a racist), now that I think about it! Me: bad! JR ps guess I'm a little feisty livin' in Lib land here in God's Country. How Liberal of me to blame others fer me own issues don't ya think?