Refurbished motors?

[ted655]

I want to replace my 140 'Rude with 2 75hp Mercs, mounted on vert. lift jackplates.<br />I'm seeing the refurbs here on iBoat and am wondering what some of you think. Opinions on the reliyability, the warrenty, extended warrenty would be welcom. I sure don't need double trouble.

 

[Dhadley]

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OK, I just gotta ask -- curiosity got the better of me -- why do you want to do that?

 

[mrbell83]

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Yes, I agree with dhadley, why in the world would you do that???

 

[DJ]

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I'm sure you have a reason.<br /><br />iboats motors have an excellent reputation.

 

[ted655]

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Why do what? If you mean replace an aging, troublesome single outboard with 2 newer 4cycl 75s & have the extra security of 2 motors, then my answer is because it makes sence to me. If you want to know why Mercs, then it's because they are the most popular here, in my area (the local Johnson-Evenrude dealer went under last year). If you mean why refurbs instead of new, then I save nearly $5,000.00, which is a LOT of money to this blue collor guy.<br />So why co I want to do what?

 

[ob15]

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To get the same performance as the 140, I bet you would need to go with twin 80' or 90's.

 

[walleyehed]

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I sure don't need double trouble.<br />

Then stay away from 2 engines...<br />Rebuild the one you have or consider a refurb of the same size, other-wise, you'll be doubling your maintenance, double prop cost, syncing both engines is something that changes very often, you increase the complexity by double, you add a considerable amount of weight, etc....

 

[deeep water]

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are the 2 moters the same weight as the one your replacing ??,,gas consumption ?? trim ??wat about cables ?? got room for it??

 

[phatmanmike]

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i vote no.<br /><br />twin 80hp 4strokes are gonna kill you in the weight department alone!<br /><br />gas consumption.<br /><br />two props.<br /><br />two waterpumps.<br /><br />8 sparkplugs.<br /><br />2 oil changes.<br /><br />2 control boxes.<br /><br />2 stators to replace.<br /><br />2 bent skegs.<br /><br />2 much for not enough.

 

[bossee]

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Try a singel Suzuki DF140 (refurbished if you prefer). It is an excellent outboard and not so expensive. myoutboards gave an excellent list of some of the cons with twin outboards.<br /><br />/Bo

 

[ted655]

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This is a large flat bottom alominium boat. It is a full 8' wide (24' l), I have the room for 2 motors. Dry wt of 2 75s is 550#, the 140 (already sold) tips in around 375 I think. Not sure what the jackplates would add.<br />We hardly ever ran the 140 above 1/2 open, mostly 1/4 throttle. It was sometimes used to push our floating cabin around. Same would hold true of the new power. Realisticly, I would only need 1 of the 75 motors 75% of the time.I'm not concerned with most of the dual costs. The piece of mind of having that other motor offsets those issues, valid as they are. Neither of us have great health, we need to know we have a way to get home. That damn single motor let us down too often!<br /> The helm is already relocated, new cables & controls were already decided to be purchased. The weight at the transom is something to concider, however, by moving the helm forward we have taken our weight forward, offsetting the extra weight of dual motors. Stand by those Suzukis do you? Hmmm? Are these 4 cycles more dependable Than the 2 cycles? Better milage I hear, but more moving parts. What would we do if the darn thing quit us? This boat is too large to paddle. Thanks for the opinions, I'm open to good advice. Bottom line is getting home fast in an emergency.

 

[walleyehed]

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I understand your concern with reliability, however, if the 140 Rude is giving you trouble, and has been unreliable, their is something wrong there in itself..the looper version and the crossflow versions have proven more reliable than ANY other engine available. I would take a properly running 140 Rude over any new engine there is, with exception of the E-Tec. The 140 has problems that were over-looked or it wouldn't be a trouble-maker...consider your maintenance program...with 2, you have a 100% higher chance of engine failure, just by adding another to the rear.

 

[Perfidiajoe]

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Lets not forget, to get that extra relibility from 2 engines you would need 2 fuel tanks, filled from two different sources, or at least two different times. I have found a good percent of outboard trouble, (if well maintained) will come from fuel problems, 1 tank & the second engine soon developes the same trouble. BTW I love Mercs. IMHO Good Luck, joe

 

[ted655]

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The 140 is a mute point, it's GONE. So now I'm left with a bare transom.<br />As a matter of fact, I do have dual tanks that feed a remote fuel filter/seperator, then on to an inline filter that was already on the 'Rude. I'm not a math wizard but I gotta think there are some odds that favor a chance of two motors quitting at the same time. No?<br />I have this vision, (as a for instance), of being lashed to our 16' X 40' floating camp in a 6-8 knot spring river flow & losing complete power. Ugley, very ugly posibilities. OR... having a great day in the bay, here in the GULF, & a squall rolls in. There we sit. I really hope none of these things never happen but I see the benefit of 2 motors. When I'm prowling the marshes for redfish, I see lots of boars headed out to the Gulf with 2 motors. My shrimper friend runs 2 90s.<br />Back to doing business with iBoat, Good folks huh?

 

[swist]

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For truly unforgiving conditions (very cold water, rugged coastal terrain, very changeable weather, etc), visit the coast of Maine.<br /><br />There you will see 99% of the working boats that are out fishing every day have single engines.

 

[Ron G]

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If its that much of a mind security to ya slap the two engines on.everbodys just pointing out the pros and cons,but in the end if it makes you feel safe and reliable do it.

 

[Mark42]

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I personally like the idea of twin outboards if for no other reason than it looks cool. I'm sure you can find the hardware to connect one motor to the other rather than dual controls. But then again, dual controls are cool too. It will let you operate one totally independantly of the other. <br /><br />Then there is that whole rotation issue with counter rotating vs same rotation dual motors. If you can find the matched pair of props you have it made. <br /><br />What ever you decide, have fun doing it!

 

[ted655]

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I guess I'n a big baby. I'm a belt AND suspenders type fellow. I wouldn't leave harbor up there with 1 outboard. Not in an open boat. Real men those Dn-easters!<br />Anyway, "cool" costs, adding another motor does add expence & maintainance.Ya'll have given me a few tips. I will add another seperate fuel treatment for the 2nd motor. Thanks.<br />By the way.... Has ANYONE dealt with or bought a iBoat motor? Used, refurb, or new?<br />Happy New Year.

 

[bossee]

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Hi,<br />Have you considered this:<br /><br />One 115 hp 4-stroke (or 140 hp Suzuki/Johnson 4-stroke I mentioned) AND another smaller "trolling/rescue" outboard 2- or 4-stroke?<br /><br />If you get a smaller rescue outboard that will hopefully take you "home" if main outboard should fail. And You could feed the rescue outboard with an external tank (less likely to get bad fuel etc in that external tank).<br /><br />I use Yamaha myself (F115 4-stroke) but I would not hesitate to buy a for example Mercury, Honda, Suzuki/Johnson 4-stroke.<br /><br />For example a (refurbished) Suzuki DF115 or DF140 (both has EFI) as main engine and a Suzuki DF25 V-Twin (also EFI) would probably be a good combination and not that expensive.<br /><br />The DF115 and DF140 has been on the market for about 4 years and has no weak spots really that I have heard or read about. The DF25 V-Twin EFI is new for 2005 I belive but probably a safe choice anyway.<br />EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection) is very safe in all weather conditions. The sligtly negative with todays outboards is that they have rather much electronics in them that could be a problem some day and could be expensive to repair/replace. But when pros and cons are compared the new outboards with EFI are very safe and reliable and the pros much overweight the cons.<br /><br />Or check out for example a Mercury 115 EFI 4-stroke plus Mercury 25 or 30 EFI.<br /><br /><br />/Bo

 

[phatmanmike]

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i have nothing truly AGAINST twins, they have all the strong points you pointed out, as well as all the cons others have pointed out.<br /><br />they do look cool, i will agree with mark42 <br /><br />but.... to answer your question, i personally havent purchased a motor from iboats. i have seen many other users on this board in my 3 years here that have and have said NOTHING but good things about them. the motors are very clean late model almost new looking motors.<br /><br />if you cant tell the difference, why pay the difference.<br /><br />i still must add a mute point myself, that 140 evinrude/ johnson you had was by far one of the if not thee best motor ever made. omc v4's just have a special SUMTHIN SUMTHIN that no other motor ever has been able to capture since they came out in the 60's.<br /><br />if you get twins, and your concerned about space and or weight, try to get twin 3 cylinders instead of twin 4 cylinders.<br /><br />if you can find them, i vote for twin nissan / tohatsu's. they are extremely light weight and are very narrow for twin installations. try maybe twin65 or 70 hp. the tohatsu 70hp tripples have a very strong reputation of being damn near bulletproof!<br /><br />just 2 more of my cents !