Relocation funds to be taxed

SwampNut

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Re: Relocation funds to be taxed

City didn't "steal" anything from anybody.
The city fraudulently took their property by force (or the threat of force) in order to help a profitable company become more profitable. Hmmm...ok, what word would you use besides "steal?"
 

ratracer

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Originally posted by SwampNut:<br />
City didn't "steal" anything from anybody.
The city fraudulently took their property by force (or the threat of force) in order to help a profitable company become more profitable. Hmmm...ok, what word would you use besides "steal?"
Steal works well enough for me...they forced people to move because someone with deep pockets wanted to use that land for personal gain, who was already in cahoots with the local government to get over $400 million in money from the taxpayers to fund the project.<br /><br />If there were a profit to be made on the facility, the team owner would have funded it himself instead of squeezing the government to pay for it.
 

QC

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Feels like there are pieces of this story missing to me.
the city spent almost $10,000 to move him across Arlington. He said the amount exceeded what he thought the move should have cost.
What the hell does that mean? That the City paid $10K to move the guy? And then he has to pay taxes on that? Or the City gave him $10,000 and he thinks it should have cost $8000, so he walked away with $2000? I am totally confused. What did the City pay for their homes? Fair market or a premium? Then they got a cash payment on top of that? Help! If they were renters and they got kicked out, and then the city said "here take $10K and be quiet" but did not instruct them about taxation, I think that is a little screwy. What do you think withholding is about? When you think about it, it protects both sides.<br /><br />I was in favor of well reasoned eminent domain on a previous thread, but only if those who are displaced get some sort of premium. Yes, we all pay tax on any kind of income, but IMHO any eminent domain stuff needs to insure that those who are displaced come out ahead even after taxes. And it should be the booter outer's responsibility to explain the whole damn thing properly. Sometimes it is not enough to claim that "you should've known". This feels a little like that to me, however, I don't think there is enough info to base a reaction.
 

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From what I have heard on the radio, several people didnt want to move. They either had deep roots in their homes, or were not offered 'fair' market value. <br /><br />The last resident of the area vacated a couple of weeks ago.<br /><br />I guess my education is lacking. I have always been taught that imminent domain was for public use. Things such as a highway, fire station, police station, etc. I realize the Supreme Court has changed it to be any tax increasing venue, but it still isnt right.
 

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Originally posted by Twidget:<br /> I guess my education is lacking. I have always been taught that imminent domain was for public use. Things such as a highway, fire station, police station, etc. I realize the Supreme Court has changed it to be any tax increasing venue, but it still isnt right.
Your education isn't lacking, what is lacking are the morals of the politicians that made this happen. :(
 

SwampNut

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Which is why I called it stealing. Rob from the poor to give to the rich.
 

jtexas

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Originally posted by SwampNut:<br />
City didn't "steal" anything from anybody.
The city fraudulently took their property by force (or the threat of force) in order to help a profitable company become more profitable. Hmmm...ok, what word would you use besides "steal?"
The word is "condemn".<br /><br />I know what the word "fraudulent" means, but I don't know what you mean when you use it in that context...nobody was "defrauded" - everybody knows what they're up to.<br /><br />I'm not real pleased with this use of imminent domain, but to start throwing around accusations of theft and fraud is childish and irresponsible.<br /><br />Not to mention which, there is precedent right here in the same city, involving a very high ranking political official. I won't say who, but he is now the leader of the free world. Although at the time he was just the man who traded Sammy Sosa to the Cubs for Harold Baines.
 

SwampNut

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Fraudulent -- because they claimed they were doing it for a public purpose, easily proven a lie.<br /><br />Theft -- the taking of property not belonging to you.<br /><br />Ooops, you're right, it was not theft. It was robbery.<br /><br />Robbery -- the taking of property under the threat of force or use of force.<br /><br />Either way it was still stolen. If your property is taken against your will, it is stolen.<br /><br />It is childish and irresponsible to let people re-define words in order to make their actions seem more palatable. "Condemned" makes it sound just and right, as if the property is somehow bad and must be "fixed." Saying "stolen" exposes exactly what was done. "Imminent domain" implies a greater good, such as building a road or other public project, not a for-profit corporate building.
 

jtexas

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Originally posted by SwampNut:<br /> Fraudulent -- because they claimed they were doing it for a public purpose, easily proven a lie.
You know what it's for. I know what it's for. Everybody knows what it's for. It's a matter of public record. There's no lying going on. The truth is right out there for the world to see.<br /><br />
<br />It is childish and irresponsible to let people re-define words in order to make their actions seem more palatable. "Condemned" makes it sound just and right, as if the property is somehow bad and must be "fixed." Saying "stolen" exposes exactly what was done. "Imminent domain" implies a greater good, such as building a road or other public project, not a for-profit corporate building.
In every dictionary I can find, "condemn" is defined as (among other things) the taking of land under right of eminent domain. I really have no idea who "re-defined" it as that but it was hundreds of years ago, probably in England.<br /><br />The project includes all kinds of street and highway improvements, so for all we know the "condemned" property in question is going to public use.<br /><br />If you have any actual evidence that any kind of fraud, theft or robbery is actually taking place, then by all means please present it here.
 
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Relo. has always been taxed. That's NOTHING new.
 

dogsdad

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Originally posted by 18R:<br /> Hey, no one made them stay in America. They could have left anytime they wanted, could have renounced their citizenship, presuming the gvt would give them permission to renounce, and pursued a better life elsewhere.
And that's about as vaccuous an opinion as I've seen here in a long, long time. You surely must be joking.
 
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