Replace those Risers and manifolds!

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wilwiseman

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I almost ruined my engine by not knowing the life of them is 4 years at most. Here's a trick I discovered today. The bolts on the head were so rusted, there was nothing to get a bite onto with a socket. So a took a dremel drill and a cutting disc, and grinded two slots in the bolt and made the bolt look like a giant phillips head. I then got my biggest screwdriver out, drove it in, put the visegrips on the screwdriver handle, and presto! It worked on both sides!
 

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Re: Replace those Risers and manifolds!

Moving to I/O
 

jmeydenbauer

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Re: Replace those Risers and manifolds!

Just ordered mine today! :) :) :) <br />BoatUS has an artical that states the expected failure rate for a 5yr old exhaust system is 45% and 100% for a 9yr old system. Granted this will vary with fresh vs salt water and the amount of use.
 

biloxiriver

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Re: Replace those Risers and manifolds!

:) Just finished installing new ones today. Each side had 3 bolts that I had to grind the heads off of; that won't happen again! I am gonna change them every three years; they are only warranted for 3.
 

inlet

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Re: Replace those Risers and manifolds!

Finished replacing riser/manifolds on a pair of 350's. Probably wouldn't have if not for the paranoia expressed repeatedly on this forum. Bought boat as a repo, so not sure of the age of the manifolds although I put 500 hrs. on it over 4 yrs. Risers showed a little bit of pitting at the edge of manifold gasket. Took a cut off saw and disected the manifold, metal from all appearances was still in good shape, however it was very near plugged with scale. <br />Money spent, and peace of mind for a few years. Here in the north west the marine Mechanics talk in the area of 7 years for raw water cooled manifolds.
 

CTD

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Re: Replace those Risers and manifolds!

Just curious, what is it that goes out on the manifolds? Do they corrode from the water side to the exh side, burn out or what. I was just wondering if they could be galvanized or coated before install to prolong life.
 

yoced

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Re: Replace those Risers and manifolds!

What fails in the manifolds? Aside from abusive failures (heat stress, ice damgage) your biggest enemy is the salt corrosion. It eats away at the iron something fierce. It also causes deposits and scale on the walls, which flake off and clog the system. Even when the deposits don't flake off, they are narrowing your water chanel and insulating your cooling water away from the heat it is supposed to be sucking up.<br /><br />When these problems don't kill your manifold you will often find the machined surfaces at the riser eroding away - leaving you with less and less sealing surface between riser and manifold. <br /><br />Plenty of companies have tried coating or galvanizing the interiors of the manifolds. Merc, having the biggest budget, has been the most successful. <br /><br />One of the hardest challenges to overcome with coatings is the physical problem of coating a very complex, very narrow, set of channels. Add to this that you are working with a product that constantly grows and shrinks with heating and cooling, that has one face very hot, while the other face is very cool. Again add to the equation the penalty for failure: bad manifolds are expensive. <br /><br />Problems with coatings include coatings that fall off usually in large flakes (many ceramic coatings have this problem), and coatings that are not complete thus leaving a small section of wall which is attacked quite vigorously while being out of site and out of mind.<br /><br />Perhaps the real problem with coatings, which is tied up with all others, is cost. It is expensive to do, and may fail anyway. Most smaller manufacturers will be scared of the outlay to create a product they are not sure of, while opening themselves to the possibility of massive failures. <br /><br />At the same time, while all boaters will acknowledge wanting a manifold that lasts longer, actually paying for one is another story. I recall a gentleman who made solid brass manifolds for Volvo 4-cyl. He gave it a lifetime warranty. He was out of business quite quickly, as nobody wanted to pay the price for it. While the added cost of a coated manifold is not very noticeable when you are buying a new engine in a new boat, it becomes very much a sore point when a customer calls and asks the price to put a new manifold on his 6 year old boat, and even worse when you are are trying to repair an old beater boat on a budget.
 
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