Ripped off by American Boat Brokers in OKC OK

96Nitroowner884stolen · Aug 12, 2003

I am trying to contact the person that purchased a 96 Nitro 884 Savage, 150 merc, and trailer from American Boat Brokers. I still have the titles and will not release them until he pays me. He wrote me a $7,000 hot check that he will not cover. I have turned the check over to the Cleveland County District Attorney. If any one else has had problems getting their money or their titles please contact me. Richard Gritte 405 356 2712 rrgritte@iwon.com

denniz · Aug 12, 2003

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boat brokers are the used car salesman of the boat industry. Sorry you got burned... chalk it up to lessons learned.

Link · Aug 12, 2003

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96Nitroowner884stolen : Trust me and challange me on this: I hope you do! Go to your local court house and look up the dealers name and put a lien on his house and everything he owns or owes money on! Without doing that you are just $hit out of luck! If you don't your just a customer.. and the banks will get everything! And the person who bought your boat (in good faith) and you will go to court.. one of you will be out 7000 bucks plus.. and he will get away scott free... I haven't BTDT but a customer of mine in 1989 put 3000 bucks down on a motor and the next day went back to ask what cables to order... chains were around the doors... with a big sign saying Chapter 13... ten years later ... he was at the bottem of the food chain.. never recieved a cent.. bad part...the same guy is still doing Business under a different name... and business owner.. brother... crappy deal for sure.. Once I got out of Marine Sales and got into home repair.. I learned to put liens... weather ts 50 bucks or 50K it works..

it sucks to do so but works...

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96Nitroowner884stolen · Aug 13, 2003

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I think they should take American Boat Brokers advertisement off of this web site. Thanks for your advice.

96Nitroowner884stolen · Aug 13, 2003

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Do you think this web site has any liability is they continue to advertise for him?

neumanns · Aug 14, 2003

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nitro... I kinda had a little sympathy for ya at first on your first post and then you ruined it by your lets find everyone that may be connected to the liable party and go after them. What warped sense of responsability would lead you to believe that because Iboats carrys an add for them that they to could be held liable. Go after the dealer who wronged you and get this set straight and leave everyone else who happened to drive past and look at there billboared out of this including the billboared company. It sounds to me that if what you say is true then you have a legitimate beef. It is also painfully obvious to me who that beef is with. I must conclude with saying that at the moment you are in no better position than the boat broker as you also have not lived up to your obligation by withholding the title. Is there any connection between them holding payment and you withholding title? Is there more to this story?

96Nitroowner884stolen · Aug 15, 2003

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You missed my point. It was a question not a threat. I don't have much information about that sort of thing. I think we are covered we still have the titles. I am trying to find the other people that have been ripped off by this guy, so they will realize that this is not a isolated incident. I asked about the web site because they have a chance to correct the situation at this point. I emailed the web site before I posted to it. I just don't want anyone else to be hurt by this guy. The person that bought our boat needs to contact us to get his titles, the boat broker is not going to help him.

nitsuj · Aug 15, 2003

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I guess I don't understand what a "boat broker" does. How did someone you don't know buy a boat from a thrid party that you have the title to? Who got paid that the boat changed hands? Why wasn't the title transfered when the money changed hands? And lastly, how would the owners of this site solve the issue by not advertising for them? Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting you, or breaking your stones, I seriously don't understand whats going on.

96Nitroowner884stolen · Aug 15, 2003

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We are not exactly withholding the title. No one has asked us for the title. American Boat Brokers had our boat at his place of business, and still has it advertised for sale on this website. He says that he sold the boat. It is definetly not were we can find it. He will not tell us who purchased the boat. We asked for the person's name and phone number and he gave us a fake name and phone number. We called the Oklahoma Tax Commission, and they said the same thing you just said. You can not sell a boat without exchanging the title. I believe that someone paid him for our boat, and was told that the title would be mailed to him. I have been told the same thing on car titles and every thing has worked out. I doubt that I would have done this with a boat, but who knows. This guy seems legitimate and makes what he is saying sound resonable. The person that bought the boat is probably very irrated that he has not recieved the title by now since he probably purchased it the first week in July. He is probably trying to contact the boat broker, but the guy does not return phone calls(not even the calls the DA made) or stay at the office. As for advertising on this website. It makes him appear legimate when he is not. As I said I don't know much about advertising. Its possible that they would be breaking a contract if he has paid for advertising and they do not follow thought with the contract, but it also seems like they are helping him steal from people if they are aware he in not honest and continue to advertise for him. Especially our boat which he does not appear to have.

Ralph 123 · Aug 15, 2003

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Your boat sounds like it has been stolen. Why not report it as such to the police and contact your insurance company? The fact that you know who stole it does not change the fact it has been stolen. Just a thought.

96Nitroowner884stolen · Aug 15, 2003

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We have talked to the police, the DA, and the tax commission. Everyone believes that the DA has the best chance of resolving the problem for us. A hot check is a felony and they will arrest him. I am concerned that I see other boats on his lot those people are going to have problems also

neumanns · Aug 15, 2003

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Nitro...You once again sound as is you are on the right track, had me worried there for a minute. I do not know much about the laws concerning the situation however with the amount of money at stake i would also bring your attorney on boared. The DA should be enoufgh but realisticaly he may not be because he will not take actions to protect you should this guy file chapter whatever. I would check into theft charges at the PD as well as looking into fileing a lien against anything he owns. When you meet with an attorney ask about obtaining a judjment against him through the courts, this may give you some protection should he file chapter whatever, if he files ( he sounds like a candidate )prior to these actions you will fall behind everyone in order of payment of proceeds and the proceeds will likley be gone before they get to you and what you get is a sincere sorry! At that point is is likley the purchaser of your boat will come forward and if he can prove he paid for it you would have to surrender the title to avoid actions by him against you.

mellowyellow · Aug 15, 2003

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i would certainly show up at his door and "extract" my $7K... post boat as stolen here: http://www.itsbeenstolen.com/catsearch.asp?cat=3

96Nitroowner884stolen · Aug 15, 2003

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Thanks I will tonight.

96Nitroowner884stolen · Aug 15, 2003

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Thanks for everyone's ideas. I will post it on the other website tonight

lakeman1999 · Aug 15, 2003

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We had a fellow here went into the same business, selling autos, boats, and campers on consignment, and did the same thing with a lot of people. sold their stuff and kept the money.

Mike Langianese · Aug 16, 2003

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It looks to me like the person who presently has the boat is in possession of stolen property. I have heard of this happening with autos and the person with the title gets his car back, the "buyer" has to go after the broker for steeling his money. I know it seems rotten but you werent paid so you didnt sell your boat. There are also buyers using their computers and color laser printers to produce certified checks to pay for boats, the checks look so real that some banks have been fooled. Hopefully your boat broker has a temporary cash flow problem and your check will be made good.

kdmiller8251 · Aug 17, 2003

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Nitro: Have you thought about contacting your state Fish and Game department. Notify them so they can be on the lookout for it. Contact local boat dealers also so maybe their service departments can be on the prowl. Also you may want to try checking out the local boat ramps and posting flyers. I cant imagine someone bought a boat and has not been using it..

jocko_nc · Aug 20, 2003

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It seems to me that someone screwed up big time writing a bad check. There are numerous "grey areas" in which a consignment deal can go bad where no one party is clearly at fault. Any such grey areas go to civil court, you have to pay for each step of the process. He can go out of business and get out of debt. Writing a bad check in that amount, however, is a felony theft simply by the act of writing the bad check. Period. This goes to criminal court and the sum of money involved is pretty darn substantial. He cannot get out of criminal restitution either, bankruptcy will not help him. Make sure the DA is on the case and nail him to the wall. Naturally, assuming all you have said is accutate... jocko

jocko_nc · Aug 20, 2003

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FYI, guys... Never, ever, EVER think you can resolve a problem where you feel you are getting screwed by writing a check then putting a halt on it. Use a credit card. Make a promise. Some sort of escrow arrangement. Lie through your teeth. Get the property back somehow but do not leave a signed paper trail! Any kind of he said/she said is manageable and will most likely be resolved, if at all, in front of a judge. Writing a check without intent of paying that check is an instant criminal case, even if the other guy was wrong in trying to screw you. You can deal with a civil case, the criminal stuff is bad news. Saw it happen once... jocko

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