sarter issue

[fisheymikey]

I have a force 125...

I did change the battery cables with 4 guage and sauder the ends.

my battery is fully charged and does not go under 11 when starter is turning over

I really belive its the starter I did see very little smoke came out of it.

I cleaned the inside thoroully and there is not any signs of broken brushes or obvious issues

is there a resistance or troubleshooting someone could diagnose?

when it does start when I shut it of and restart it seems do have an easier time

thx for any advise

mike

 

[pnwboat]

Re: sarter issue

You mean you saw a little bit of the magic smoke come out of the starter? Once the magic smoke is released from the starter, they never work the same. Just kidding!

If the starter is smoking, that's an indication that the internal windings are getting very hot. Two things that would cause that. Cranking the starter for an excessive amount of time, or the starter itself is bad, or going bad.

Taking into account that you've replaced the cables, and the battery voltage does not drop significantly it's most likely a bad starter, however, to really see if the battery is good, you should have it load tested if you've not already done so.

 

[fisheymikey]

Re: sarter issue

You mean you saw a little bit of the magic smoke come out of the starter? Once the magic smoke is released from the starter, they never work the same. Just kidding!

If the starter is smoking, that's an indication that the internal windings are getting very hot. Two things that would cause that. Cranking the starter for an excessive amount of time, or the starter itself is bad, or going bad.

Taking into account that you've replaced the cables, and the battery voltage does not drop significantly it's most likely a bad starter, however, to really see if the battery is good, you should have it load tested if you've not already done so.

without the plugs it turns amazing... could it be that my engine is really flooded? would that cause that?

mike

 

[pnwboat]

Re: sarter issue

Is the problem that with the plugs in, the starter turns the motor over too slow?

If the engine is flooded, it would have no affect in the speed at which the starter turns the motor over. All it does is take a lot longer to fire, but the speed at which the motor turns over is not affected.

Have you used the starting technique outlined on several posts on this Forum? That is setting the throttle in the "Neutral Fast Idle" position?

 

[Jiggz]

Re: sarter issue

Have you tried jumping the starter straight from the battery? Make sure you use good size jumper cables. If the problem still persists, it is most likely a starter problem. However, if the problem goes away, then it is likely a solenoid problem or loose solenoid connections.

 

[fisheymikey]

Re: sarter issue

well I don't know what to say either im crazy or don't understand anything anymore...

I change back to old cable and just touch the key and it starts!!!

I bought 4 gauge cables cut of 3/4 inch I melt a buch of solder in the terminal and then qickly inserted the cables I let cool and tried to pull on cable solid like a rock!

im I missing something about building cables?? the new cables are 2 feet longer can that do the issue?? im just flabbergasted with this

mike

 

[pnwboat]

Re: sarter issue

When you solder the terminals on, take the lug and put it in a vise so that the open end is pointing straight up so that it acts kind of like a cup. Insert the wire into the lug (cup) and heat up the lug with a propane torch. Get it hot enough to start melting the solder and keep feeding the solder into the open part of the lug where the wire is inserted until it starts to overflow. Make sure the wire doesn't move until the solder has cooled and solidified.

If you melt a bunch of solder onto the wire and quickly insert it into the lug, there's a good chance that you'll get a cold solder joint. It may appear to be making a good contact, but it's actually not. The cable is just kind of wedged in there and not making a good connection. The whole lug and wire has to be hot enough to melt the solder so that it flows in order to make a good electrical connection.

To insure you have a good solder connection, take your new cables as they are now, and do like I mentioned above and mount the lug with cables attached in a vise with so that the lug opening is pointing straight up. If you don't, when you heat it up, all the solder will melt and run out onto the floor. Heat it up with a torch and melt some more solder into the cup and you should be good to go.

Having said all that, I suspect that you may of had a bad connection the whole time. Double check the connections on the cables. Both battery and like Jiggz mentioned on the starter solenoid and the short cable between the starter and the solenoid.

 

[jerryjerry05]

Re: sarter issue

I use a crimper when making a cable.
Then I use liquid electric tape to cover the bare parts.
Also only use COPPER connectors.
The chrome plated junk is JUNK!!

 

[Jiggz]

Re: sarter issue

I do not believe it was a cable issue to start with but rather a connection issue of some kind between terminals and connector bolts. Radio Shack has a so called contact cleaner which I used for terminal connections. It is very good even with those trailer connectors in the sense that it provides a cleaning agent, maintain good contacts and provide lubrication film to prevent oxidation. Just make sure you have very clean surfaces before applying.