Seeking Johnson Carb Advice II

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Hi Folks,<br /><br />Original post on 4/28, for a 93 Johnson 60HP CD3; Model T/J60TLET/D, S/N G03265019<br /><br />OK, got the kits and factory manual. OMC Manual P/N 508284. Pics in the book are different than what I have; in fact, Clymer is a little closer to reality. #'s on carb are (LR on one, 'AS' on 2 & 3) 433236 & 330503. I'll try to post pics below.<br /><br />Hate to start a job with wrong info or tools. We're going ahead, but have you folks got any insight or guidance for us on this? <br /><br />As always, thank you very much for your help and knowledge.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Chuck<br /><br />
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I don't understand what your question is, Shadetree.<br /><br />Excellent pix of the carb, by the way.
 
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Hi JB,<br /><br />Glad to hear from you, & sorry I wasn't clear. Carbs in the factory manual look like below(I hope this works). I don't have carb body screws, cover, or gasket (G & H in photo). So the Clymer book is actually a little closer. I do have lots more orifice covers, but haven't removed any.<br /><br />They've been rebuilt by someone before. (bought rebuilt in 2001). Intermediate orifice has been wallered out by previous mechanic (grrrr...), and I can't get it out, and am afraid to force it. I've sprayed carb cleaner and compressed air through it both ways though.<br /><br />Just wondering if anyone has guidance, because factory OMC manual is for carbs pictured below. Clymer is closer to ours (above), but not totally the same. At least Clymer doesn't reference the carb body screws, cover and gasket as factory manual below. I'm worried about not being able to see or clean all the (apparently) built-in or molded-in orifices in the carburetor. I can spray through and blow through OK, but worried about hidden debris. That intermedite orifice scares me too.<br /><br />Thanks JB for your help.<br /><br />-Chuck<br />
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OK, I went and checked a parts blowup diagram for your engine. The carburetors you have are correct for the 60hp you have. The carb in the diagram you posted later looks like the carb from the 70hp models of that year. So, you're looking at pictures of a 70hp carb, which has the top cap and gasket you see in the photos.<br /><br />The carb for the 60hp model is a single casting, as in the one you have.<br /><br />So...you either have the wrong carb kit or the carb kit you have covers both models. If you want to see an exploded view diagram of your exact carb, you can go to ishopmarine.com, click the Parts Lists tab at the top of the page, then drill down to your model. When you get to the page which lists the different parts groups, you'll see that there's one listing for 70hp model carbs and one for 60hp models. You can see the difference, and the exploded view should give you some guidance on how the thing goes together and comes apart.<br /><br />My guess is that the kit covers both models. That's a common practice with carb kits.<br /><br />Best of luck to you.
 

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The factory kit #396701 fits both types of carburetors.<br /><br />I don't have a service manual list handy, but does the factory manual say 50-60-70 hp ET models on it? Near the front page there is usually a page of model numbers that the manual covers.
 

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The carbs were changed midyear. There is a service bulletin for a main jet and timing change for this engine, but not sure if this was for 92s only or included 93s. The bulletin number is somewhere on this board, try search.
 

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The service bulletin is SB2271. Search member 6062 post number 2177 for list of other bulletins.
 
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Hi Folks,<br /><br />Thank you for your help CATransplant, Seahorse and Clanton. I'll check out the service bulletins as described.<br /><br />It's a '93 Johnson 60HP CD3; and since the Model T/J60TLET/D, S/N G03265019, 5th entry on page 4 under "60 Models" of factory manual P/N 508284. The Clymer book has both the TR for '91 & '92 25-70hp, and the SV for '92-1/2 and later 25-70's, the SV being all that's in the factory manual. As it was bought rebuilt, I'll take a SWAG and wonder could it be the shop used an older set of carbs? I can't find the plug on the power head, having taken the numbers from the plate on the transom clamp. I sure wish the factory manual had 'em both though...<br /><br />Thankfully the kits cover both as you've described, but as Clymer is my only resource besides you great folks, I do have a couple questions:<br /><br />In tear down, we counted the turns to seat for the slow speed mix screw. They were set to 1-3/4, 1-7/8, and 1-3/4 respectively on 1 - 3 from seated. The factory manual isn't really helping me here, but the Clymer has specific turns from seated for various years and HP's. Specifically, it says 1-3/4 turns from seated on '91-92 25-30HP; 2 turns out for '92 60HP with remote, and 2-1/2 turns out for '93-on 48-70HP. Factory manual says it's 2-1/2 for 60HPs, but again, they are referencing SV type carbs, which we don't have. The boat ran fine until this event, so I'm a little mystified but inclined to go with what they were as a starting point. To refresh, VRO is disabled, it's remote, and it's run fine for 4 years; great hole shot, never blows smoke and ran smooth. Any guidance or insight on this?<br /><br />Second, we didn't pull any core plugs on the carburetors, a little skittish to do this without factory manual guidance. Any guidance on whether we should pull the core plugs for inspection as one of these books said? I remember Joe Reeves in one post saying usually it was unnecessary and not done.<br /><br />Lastly, we got all high and intermediate orifices out and they looked clear and clean. #2 carb's intermediate orifice has it's ears wallered out, which made it tedious to get out, but we did and the orifice looks ok. However, Murphy came along and visited my son while putting the last mix screw adapter in the last carb, and he twisted it off (poor guy, after all that!). Anyway, it turned out easily (with my fingers using a broken easy-out!), but we disassembled and recleaned everything and re-blew it all out as a precaution. So we have to order a new mix screw adapter. The mix screws on all carbs looked excellent; true and needle-like. Would we have to replace that with the new adapter for any reason? At $24, I'd rather not, and it seems the brass adapter would be fine as the mix screws are backed out from 1-3/4 to 2-1/2 turns anyway. I figured we'd get a new intermediate orifice when we got the adapter. Looks like OEM P/Ns 0335564 & 0318832, which I'll try to get locally tomorrow to get her done.<br /><br />All three look brand new now, but we haven't pulled any core plugs to look inside. Used 2-1/2 cans of STP Carb cleaner, brushes and compressed air... just waiting to buy the adapter and orifice...<br /><br />Thank you all very much for your time and help, and for wading thru my too-long diatribes! You folks are top-shelf!<br /><br />Best-<br /><br />Chuck & Logan
 
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Originally posted by clanton:<br /> The service bulletin is SB2271. Search member 6062 post number 2177 for list of other bulletins.
Hey Clanton & / or Seahorse,<br /><br />Thanks for the info on the Service Bulletins. Sorry to be stooopid, but where can I get them? I looked at Johnson's site (which sends you to Ken Cook), but didn't see any listed. I searched the forum, but found only the reference to the bulletins, as you described...<br /><br />What am I doing wrong?<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />Chuck
 

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I looked up the bulletin and it only applies to 1993 60hp motors with carb # 433237.<br /><br />Do reset the timing to 17 degrees from the original 19 BTDC.<br /><br />The '93 60 used the carbs that you have and the 70hp that year used the SV style ones.
 
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Thanks Seahorse,<br /><br />Any guidance on the slow speed mix screw setting, core plug removal & inspection, and whether the slow speed mix screw needs to be replaced with the adapter we have to get that I posted about in the message before my last one regarding the bulletins?<br /><br />Thanks much.<br /><br />Chuck
 
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Hi Folks,<br /><br />Just a line to say Johnson was pretty nice about my factory manual not having my carbs in it. They confirmed it and faxed me replacement pages. That was cool. Once I get parts I'll be able to move forward.<br /><br />Special thanks to all you folks, and Joe Reeves, for all of your help.<br /><br />Best-<br /><br />Chuck
 
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