Smart Tabs for Me?

mattttt25

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i've read all the posts on smart tabs, visited their website, etc. since i haven't spent my required amount for boat upgrades this year (come on, admit it, you all do the same), i'm looking at smart tabs for my boat.<br /><br />i run a 20' center console powered by a 150hp johnson. estimated weight of boat, motor, fuel, and extras is 3200 lbs. this number doesn't include me and a few buddies.<br /><br />my boat runs well and the engine gets me up to 42 mph. but being relatively light, it will list with just one misplaced person. in heavy seas or winds on the beam, it leans as well.<br /><br />do you think smart tabs would work for me? i'm sure they will help me plane quicker and maintain it at lower speeds. but will they help with the easy list, and also help with the minor porposing i get at high speeds (i think i'm stern heavy)? if they're adjusted properly, will i lose top end?<br /><br />thanks-
 

snapperbait

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Re: Smart Tabs for Me?

They may help, but the only things I see are, they probably won't help correct the list and won't be as effective at putting the bow down when you need it down...<br /><br />Come on. Do your part to stimulate the economy.. Splurge! Buy the Bennett tabs..... The mack daddys with all the gizmos... Auto re-tract, the tab indicator displays.... All that good stuff... :D
 
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Ditto, on the Bennetts.<br /><br />Smart Tabs are a great idea, yet I like the ability to control the load with individually operated tabs.
 

Mettaree

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Re: Smart Tabs for Me?

I have a 20' CC Sunbird w/Smart Tabs. Am bow heavy w/Riptide 74# + 2 batts.Had a E115hp on it -helped a lot - faster on plane, rock stable, go slower on plane, gained 2 to 3 mph GPS.<br />Repowered w/Merc 200hp - broke piston first time out, expect equal w/200 and very possibly lot better. Have Torque-Shift prop for it when it goes back in water. Ran 32/33mph GPS w/115hp - rock stable, maintained plane down to abt 13/15mph. I highly reccommend them. My .02<br /> :)
 

mattttt25

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Re: Smart Tabs for Me?

thanks fellas. if i had a little more time and money, i'd go for the regular tabs. but i can't see expending the effort for this boat. my boat is stored 120 miles away, and i have little time to tinker until it goes in the water for good.<br /><br />any other opinions?
 

mattttt25

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Re: Smart Tabs for Me?

jim, i also have the sunbird 200cc. with the 150hp johnson, it pops up quickly and hits 42mph. looking at the tabs more for stability, level riding, and to eliminate a slight porpoising at high speeds.
 

Jdeagro

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mattttt25;<br /><br />Let me address the listing so that there are no misconceptions regarding the effect of Smart Tabs.<br /><br />When cruising the Trim Plates are in the raised / horizontal position, but remain under pressure. This pressure is regulated so as not to cause excessive bow pressure. Because the system is under pressure, it automatically resists the port to starboard AND the Bow to Stern listing / Porpoising. <br /><br />We have never claimed to be able to completely correct the lists caused by major load & balance issues; however a torque list or 'permanent' load list can be eliminated through adjustments upon or after installation. Your center consol boat may have a slight tendency to list to port because the helm is not on the far starboard side.<br />Although you will be less dependent on the Tilt & Trim of the motor for attitude adjustment, the tilt & trim will remain effective in controling the bow up or down. It will be like adding a suspension systen (car for example) to your boat.<br /><br />The porpoising can and will be eliminated. <br /><br />The advantage of helm controlled trim tabs is that major corrections can be made . You would be able (for example ) to run one tabs completely deployed and one completely retracted if the load was severly out of balance.<br /><br />The single best advantage of Smart Tabs is that they are an active system which always works to keep the boat in the best and most efficient position.
 

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Ok, I work for Bennett and I am biased, but I also own a boat and run it darn near every weekend with my family. It is a 20 ft walkaround, and we pull tubes, run up and down the intra-coastal here in Florida, go offshore, etc. the basic kind of use most boats of this type will get. Yesterday was a great example of why remotely adjustable Trim Tabs will give you the maximum results on a boat like yours. <br /><br />My wife, two daughters and I launched the boat and it was raining a little bit. So I put up on side of the enclosure since the rain would be coming in from the port as we rain South (the radar on the internet showed that it would clear from the South first). The oldest daughter climbed into the cuddy with a book and snuggled up on the starboard berth, my youngest daughter (the lightest of all three of us sat in the port captains chair, I (and I am a large fellow) sat in the Starboard Captains chair, and my wife stood beside me. We were all dry and comfortable, but if I did not have Tabs the boat would have listed quite a bit to Starboard. I would have had to tell the girls to move (and I really would rather have them happy). But of course my boat has Tabs, so I tapped the control for them got the boat running level and off we went. When we got down to Lake Boca the sun came out and we puttered around. Then we ran North in the sun, of course now that the sun was out the girls came out from under cover and wanted sit up on the bow seat. This again changed the balance of the boat (the other way and down by the bow) again I simply tapped the controls a few times and set up the boat. The reason I tell this long story is to point out the remotely adjustable Tabs are capable of changing on the fly, and correcting for changes in weight distribution as they happen. Something that non adjustable Tabs cannot do. You don’t have to fiddle with the controls all the time as some folks would have you believe, and the results are that the boat’s attitude is tailored to all conditions. My boating is stop and go here on the waterway, and often people change locations depending on the conditions. When I take the boat offshore, my passengers are never in the same position twice. So for both these reasons remotely adjustable Tabs are far better for me. <br /><br />I run inlets here in Florida, and while I use my Tabs to hold the bow down into a chop so that the boat runs smoother, it is also very important that I can raise the Tabs and run with the bow up when I running the inlets (and in a larger following sea) for full control. <br /><br />Another little known trick that you can do with remotely adjustable tabs is to “lean the boat away from the spray”. Often times when some spray is coming into the boat over the bow, raising that side of the boat a little bit with the Tabs will block the spray. It looks a little funny but it works. <br /><br />Remotely adjustable Tabs will free up the power trim from trimming the boat, which will let the prop do its work more effectively.<br /><br />Remotley adjustable Trim Tabs will eliminate porposing too.<br /><br />Yes they do cost a fair amount more then the 'self adjusting types"<br /><br />We feel that the smaller the boat the more important remotely adjustable Tabs are since the effect of passengers moving around the boat will be greater than on a larger boat.<br /><br />I guess between Nauti-John and myself we have given you some things to think about! We both belive in our products, and are more then happy to share what we feel are the benefits of them.<br /><br />Tom McGow<br />Bennett Marine
 

Tabman

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matttt25,<br /><br />I take that as a compliment! Actually We do try hard not to Spam when we post at Websites. It is hard sometimes not to cross the line! We always state where we are from, and unless we are asked a specific question regarding our product, we try to provide information that will apply to all brands of remotely adjustable Trim Tabs. What I posted will apply to any brand of Tabs. We do realize the benefits for our company by posting at various websites, but we are really trying to be helpful regarding Trim Tabs in general.<br /><br />If we ever cross the line into Spam we hope that you guys will let us know!<br /><br />Tom McGow<br />Bennett Marine
 

Jdeagro

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I am very pleased that Tom has taken the time to give real world conditions and benefits of his product. Too often I read postings and listen to conversations regarding various products that are inaccurate and uninformed. Everything Tom has said is correct with regard to the ability to control the boat attitude with helm controlled trim tabs. We both have a great deal of experience with trim tabs (I have had two larger boats with Bennett Tabs and would have them again on a larger boat), and that makes using them like second nature. The use of the boat should be the desiding factor in choosing trim tabs. We use our current 22ft Searay in Lake Erie and local lakes for some afternoon cruising, tubing, water skiing. For us it is a Sport boat not a destination boat. The ride, handling, balance, and convenience that Smart Tabs provides us is perfect for our use.
 

ED21

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I appreciate the discussion from some knowlegable people who discuss the the merits of their products without putting down the other person's.<br />Situations & boats differ & it's up to us to decide what suits us best. I took the 2 good salesmen as a compliment too.
 

mattttt25

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it was a compliment, i assure you! thanks for the info gentlemen. i'll need to think about it some more and hopefully make a good decision.<br /><br />thanks again-
 

richg99

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I spent 40 years in the inv. brokerage business. I "hired" various representatives to conduct investment seminars. I fired any of them who made their point by beating up on various forms of investing that didn't concur with their own versions of reality. <br /><br />Sheesh, I had guys attacking CDs as a form of investing when I had MILLIONAIRES in the room with 500m or more in various CDs. <br /><br />There isn't only one way of investing nor is there only one version of tabs. Each style/manufacturer has its own merits, and each style has its benefits/detriments. <br /><br />It is great to have two professionals on this board who know how to reasonably explain their product without having to drag down everybody's else's product <br /><br />My hat is off to you two guys. RichG
 

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Mattttt<br />I have a 1980 21 foot Crestliner Runabout that I installed Bennett trim tabs on in 1981. It the best thing I have added to my boat. I have had one minor trouble. I had the joy stick control and had to think before I made a change so as not to go wrong dirrection. The joy got a little bit flaky and I would have to push it hard in one direction to get it to change. I replace the joy stick with the double rocker switch and it works great and I do not have to think at all.<br /><br />Before I got the tabs my boat would plane at 20 mph and drop off plane at 18. Now it planes at about 10. We get a lot of wind out here in the ocean, 27 to 40 knots very common on summer afternoons with higher gusts. My boat would always lean into the wind real bad. This is because the wind would blow you off course. With the wind coming from port I would have to steer to port to stay on course. Steering to port the boat like always would lean to port. So now the port side is low and kicks up lots of spray then the wind would blow it right on board. The whole back half of my boat would be wet with saltwater spray. With the tabs I put the port tab down and raise the starboard tab, the boat runs level the spray is much less and instead of spray coming off the side of the boat and spraying up into the air it comes off the bottom of the hull and spray out to the side. By the time the wind blows the spray back to the boat we are ahead of the spray. The back of the boat is nice and dry.<br /><br />With a big following sea in the 6 to 8 foot range the last thing you want if any tabs down at all. In this condition sea are traveling about 15 miles per hour and the safest way in is to ride the back of the wave but high enough that you can see over the top of the swell. You must do this to be able to see other boats and the rocks piles on both sides of the channel entrance. Any tab pressure at all makes this condition unsafe. If you should go over the swell and surf down the face of the wave you are in real danger of picthpoling, a deadly event.<br /><br />Inland in the chop you can adjust the tabs just the right amount for the best ride. If it is flat and you want the bow high for best speed you can do that, have a boat cross ahead just bring the bow down to cut the wave then right back up.<br /><br />Last I have had a lot of fun with it. Get a new chick on board and I adjust her side low. Ask her to swap sides with a heaver person but as she changes sides adjust the other side low. Ask her how much she weights. Finally put her on one side and everyone else on the other side and adjust level. Ask her how much her Bikini top weights, has worked. One thing though make sure no fire arms gafs or baseball bat out when she finds out.
 

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I do not want to make this a debate as to a choice between Smart Tabs and Bennett, but I would like to clarify one serious misconception. We are fully aware of the potential dangers of excessive lift on the stern in following seas, and we have addressed this issue. <br /><br />Without getting too technical, the Smart Tabs actuator is internaly regulated so that once in the compressed position (Tabs Up) the load is reduced to a maintenence level. This provides resistance to movement (higher level of load) when coompression is occuring, but lower levels when static. In the case of our strongest actuators, the additional lift in the static mode would be about the same as moving one 80 Lb person to the center of the boat. In fact, since helm controlled tabs are rigid in any position, even the full up state, they could provide more stern lift simply as an extension of the hull. Smart Tabs never lift more than the actuator permits because the total stroke of the actuator exceeds that which is required to bring them to the horizontal position. In other words they go up past the level position by about 15 to 20 degrees. <br /><br />In any case the "tilt & trim" will function as normal with the Smart Tabs.<br /><br />In following seas, the best control is the throttle, and even then it is tricky. If you are more comfortable with helm controlled Tabs then by all means use them. Under any circumstances learn to use them correctly especially if you have a smaller boat, as they are very effective in changing boat attitude, especially at higher speeds.
 

mattttt25

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nautijohn- well, you sold me. just placed my order on iboats for the big tabs. as i said before, i'll be installing them on a 20' center console running a 150hp johnson. approx weight of rig is 3200lbs without occupants.<br /><br />any suggestions on installation? setting the rams?<br /><br />again, appreciate the info. i'll be sure to let you know how it turns out.
 

Mettaree

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mattttt: You need to call Nauticus Inc. and talk to John about the proper size to purchase. On mine he suggested that I get the 1290/60 - a 12" x 9" with 60# struts. They work extremely well for me on my Neptune 200CC. Talk to him - its worth your while.<br /><br /> :)
 
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