Snowmobile info

heyttown

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Im really getting an itch to buy a sled(used,more then likely) with the season ending there are alot for sale right now... Ive ridden a few in the past few yrs, but those were always a friend or something... I stored a 440 polaris at my place for a friend that I would take out every now and then. My questions are, alot of the sleds I see have 3-5000 miles on them,Im just wondering what the life of those motors are(of course with routine maintence fitting in to play). For a first time buyer i really dont know what to look for, and what to stay away from.
The 440 was to small for me, but still fun to play around the house with.

ANy thoughts or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated.
 

Laddies

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Re: Snowmobile info

A sled is a high maintance item, I would worry less about the engine and more about the running gear, which seems to be always neglected. The engines are oil injected and with little maintance will run 20,000 miles at lest the brand you mentioned do with good oil and fuel but the undercarrages take a awful beating.
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Snowmobile info

If it's a "triple" stay away! Depends on the cooling too. The newer technology is liquid cooled and they last lnger than the old fan cooled. They are high maintenance but no worse than a boat. Have it looked at by someone who knows sleds that is not financially related to the deal.
 

heyttown

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I heard the same about a "triple", but the only reason they gave me was it was harder to diagnose a bad "fouled" plug, especially when your 30 miles away from home on the trails....

Is there more to it then that?
 

Laddies

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The triples that are junk are the early XLTs and XCRs the newer ones with the PTO side main bearing that is pressure lubed are OK
 

Bob_VT

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The center piston takes a beating from heat....... If you are trail riding and lug any sled the plugs rarely last long and the need to carry spres is needed.

3500 miles is not much.... basically a normal amount of a season for around here. I have seen many sleds with 6, 7, 8K on them. Remember to treat it like any other motor. Keep the maintenance up and do not beat the life out of it.

The running gear that Laddies aluded to is very improtant too. Springs get weak, bearings go bad, the wheels wear, inspect the track for rips and tears.... is it studded? What shape are the studs and backers in?

If you can find a used Ski Doo, Yamaha, or even an older Arctic Cat.... be careful with the older polaris engines.

BTW not trying to scare you but the electrocs in the newer sleds are real complicated and very costly to repair. The new sleds have ECU's like cars do.
 

walleyehed

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Re: Snowmobile info

We've done some hill climbing, snowcross, ice-ovals and drags....then some weekends we just go ride for fun. I've owned many Yamahas from the mid 80's-up to the Vmax-4...THAT is when we went Cat. We quickly found the tripples to be troublesome in deep powder...too much extra weight up-front. Twin liquid is the only way to go.
If all you do is trail riding, pass on the mountain Cat series (M-series)...the 2.25" lugs and 141-162" tracks don't like hard-pack....hyfax never gets the lube from snow that it needs.
We've messed with most brands enough to tell what works for us and what doesn't. My buddy and I just bought an M-1000, 162", and haven't had anything touch it yet on high-mark....but not a good greenhorn sled.
I'm running an '07 M-8 and I've got a '98 powder special, 136" 600 EFI.
If the sled is set-up properly, clutch-wise, we change pistons out every 2500 mi. We ran almost 200 sleds through the shop last year-of ALL makes-and the biggest problems are piston skirts breaking....you will begine to see this from 4000-6000 miles if it has any use(high RPM) if it's been putted around, you'll see problems closer to 4000-4500.
A piston is much easier to change (and we change both regardless) than it is to have a cylinder re-done to be concentric., not to mention the plating.
I gotta say, I'm biased, but for an all-around sled, the ZR series (older sleds) or an M-7 141'-153" would be good choices...again, the M-series doesn't do as well on the trail, but the ZR would be a good sled in say a 600, and has the rip-saw track that works well in all conditions. The newer F-series are alright if you stay on the trail or avoid "deep" powder, but they have a 13.5" wide track and tend to be unstable-prefered if your into snowcross.
If a sled gets 2000+ mi. a year, you'll probably be OK for a few years buying a 4000mi sled, but if it's a '97-2002 and has the same milage, plan on pistons if they haven't been done.
 

heyttown

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Re: Snowmobile info

Thanks for all the info guys....Keep it coming
 

larky

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Re: Snowmobile info

I am new to sleds also, but i find that both of my 440's are fast enough for me ( for the time being). both of my sleds are from the mid 70's. one is a yamaha gpx and the other is a john deere cyclone. one thing I have noticed is that winter doesn't pi$$ me off any more. I am sad to see it end. as everyone has said inspect the drive train. the john deere is going to be my trail sled for next year and i plan on replacing every bearing involved in the drive line just to be sure. I was also fortunate enough to get a good deal on a new track recently. one piece of advise is to join a discussion forum just like this, get a manual and you should be in good shape. this is my first year actually doing the work on it in the summer. good luck and let us know what you get
 

BRG25

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Re: Snowmobile info

This is my new sled. 2003 Polaris XC600 with the M-10 suspension. Great sled, I love it. I got it on e-bay for $2700 in pristine shape with 2500 miles. Be patient, there are some good deals to be found at the end of the season.

xc600.jpg
 

BF

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I'll say ditto to what has been said above, but add a bit... Take a compression tester & spark plug wrench when you go look... that'll tell you something. Pull the little dipstick for the chain drive oil reservoir... often they have a magnet on the end, and you can see whether there is mucho filings in there. Some filings is OK... clean oil and no filings tells you it has been maintained. Also take a flashlight and tip the sled to the side. Have a buddy hold it there, while you check the condition of the track and track clips. Turn and wiggle the idler wheels (the ones in the upper middle) to get a feel for how the bearings are. Watch for missing drive lugs on the inside of the track.

Other than that, look for welding done to the frame both on the front, and also in the skid frame. Check whether the holes where the rear axle goes through the slide rails are worn oblong... That, and cracked slide rails are common problems for older sleds (both fixable for cheap by a good tig welder), providing you take it apart and just take the rails in for welding.

Big thing is the track... to replace one costs 400-500 if you do it yourself.

Lastly, another maintenance item are the clutches... ask if any clutch work has been done. If you're talking about buying something with 3000+ miles on it, chances are it needs clutch maintenance. Having a primary clutch re-done at a shop is probably $200-300. Expect to pull out the rear suspension and replace all the bearings, and whatever idler wheels aren't in good shape. (a good summer project)

Good luck!
 

walleyehed

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Re: Snowmobile info

Good advice on the clutch there BF...if the clutch does need work, I'd replace the spring and rollers/slides in the secondary at the same time, then you'll have track of both.
 
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