Strange warning alarm behavior

cbeam2

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This has happened several times but not everytime.

I will turn the key on and the warning alarm comes on and stays on. This happens with the engine cold. When it happens I can turn the switch off and on a couple of times and it will stop.

Any pointers on how to trace this down? And how can I test the overheat sensor to see if it's good?


Chuck
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

(Warning Horn Wire Routing)
(J. Reeves)

The three wire plastic warning horn that came into existence with the VRO era must have the wires connected in one manner only. To have them reversed results in having the horn omit erratic false warnings. Notice that the horn has two plug on type terminals and one black wire that is incorporated within the horn. The "TAN" (sensor) wire must be connected to the terminal closest to that black wire..... with the "PURPLE" (12v) wire connected to the terminal fartherest away from that black wire.

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(Testing Warning Horn)
(J. Reeves)

On VRO equipped engines where the VRO automatic fuel/oil setup is still being used, make sure that all components are connected as required. This would include the VRO pump wiring harness itself, the oil tank wiring, the overheat sensor(s), and if so equipped.... the vacuum switch that is standard to many V6 & V8 engines.

If the VRO automatic setup has been eliminated and has been disconnected properly, and the fuel and oil is being premixed, make sure that the overheat sensors are still connected, and the vacuum switch if the engine is so equipped.

On engines prior to 1984 which have no VRO setup, ignore the instructions pertaining to the VRO components, etc above.

Turn the key to the ON position (Engine Not Running). Find the TAN wire at the cylinder head(s), then ground out the portion of that wire that is part of the engine wiring harness. If that Tan wire connector has the knife type connector where as it is exposed simply by sliding the rubber insulator back, it does not need to be disconnected.

Grounding that TAN wire should cause the horn to sound. If it does not, find out why as that's the only warning you'll receive should the engine overheat or have some portion of the VRO system fail, or have the engine encounter a fuel retsriction if it is equipped with a vacuum switch.

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(Odd Soundings Of Warning Horn)
(J. Reeves)

Should the warning horn beep constantly when the key is turned to the ON position rather than sounding just a short beep as it should, do the following test.

Remove the TAN wire from the horn. If the constant beeping continues, the horn is faulty, in which case replace it. However, on the other hand, if the beeping stops, something has gone wrong with one of the sensor components at the engine, in which case start disconnecting the TAN wires that are connected to the various components (Heat Sensors, VRO, Vacuum Switch if so equipped, Oil Tank). Disconnecting a unit and having the beeping stop...... you've found the faulty component.

NOTE: The small black plastic horn that has a built in black ground wire...... The TAN wire must be attached to the terminal closest to that black wire. Otherwise weird things will happen.

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(VRO Horn Warnings)
(J. Reeves)

1 - A steady constant beep = Overheating - The V/6 engines, possibly some others, have a fuel restriction warning which is also a steady constant beep.
2 - A beep every 20 or 40 seconds = oil level has dropped to 1/4 tank. (Late model engine = Every 40 seconds)
3 - A beep every other second = VRO failure, air leak in oil line, oil restriction, (anything that would result in a lack of oil being supplied to the engine).

NOTE - If the warning horn is the black plastic (overpriced) three wire type horn, the warning horn should beep once when the ignition key is turned to the ON position. If it does not, it is either faulty or someone has disconnected it (a stupid move!). At any rate, if it does not beep which indicates that the horn is non functional, find out why and do not run the engine until the problem is corrected.
 

cbeam2

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

Good info Joe. I will test some things tomorrow.

FYI... My warning horn is inside my shifter housing (not sure if all are or not). My VRO system is in tact and seems to be working (it smoked when I ran it for a little bit).


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cbeam2

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

Ok Joe, it seems more help is required. Here is what I have done...Disconnected wire to horn (it stops). I then proceeded to disconnect every tan wire I could find but nothing stopped the horn. I have attached photos of every wire I tried. If I am missing one please advise.

Chuck
 

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Joe Reeves

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

There is also one leading to the fuel restriction vacuum switch. Follow the inlet fuel line at the powerhead to a Tee where a smaller hose attaches and leads upwards to the switch.

And there is the wires that lead from the oil tank to their connections at the engine.
 

cbeam2

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

Joe I believe the one in the previous photo was coming from the oil tank. It is the connection in front of that red thing. I am attaching two more photos, one shows the entire side with both oil and what I believe is the gas vacuum line switch. The other is just a closeup of that same switch.


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Joe Reeves

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

Yes, that's the vacuum switch. If the horn continues to sound when you have all of the sensor wires disconnected..... all disconnected at the same time, it's possible that the TAN wire is shorting out within the wiring harness due to moisture or chaffing, something of that nature.

The above assumes that the wire you removed from the horn in the initial test was the TAN wire, not the PURPLE wire.
 

cbeam2

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

Yep, I removed the tan wire from the horn and it quit. Is the key switch tied into the tan wire circuit in any way?

BTW- As of today, I can no longer get it to quit by turning the key on and off several times.


Chuck
 

cbeam2

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

Oh and when I have the tan wire off the horn, it gives one beep (a really sick kind of beep but a beep).

I checked and wiggled every tan wire and harness I could find.

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cbeam2

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

woo hoo, evidently I didn't have the VRO sensor unplugged. I was looking for single tan wires not 3 wire plugs. But.... I have to unplug the VRO and the lead going to oil tank at the same time to get the horn to stop. Would this definately be faulty VRO sensor? Or could something else be going on?


Chuck
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

From what you've said in your last post, having "all" of the sensor leads detached, then connecting either the VRO or the Oil Tank individually (not both at the same time), The horn does not sound off.

But if both of the above are hooked up, the horn does sound off.

Frankly I've never encountered that situation and don't know what to make of that other than assume that both components are faulty but that's really not likely. Hopefully someone will jump in here who has encountered that possible "two component" failure in the past.
 

cbeam2

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

Joe I assume that if the VRO sensor is bad then the fix is to replace the whole VRO unit or just disconnect it?

Does anyone have a better price on the VRO pump than $350?

Also would water or air in the line somewhere cause the horn to sound?

Chuck
 

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Re: Strange warning alarm behavior

Do not disconnect the VRO warning system unless you intend to do away with the VRO automatic oiling system and start premixing your gas/oil as in previous (pre-1984) years.

(VRO Changeover Judgement Call)
(J. Reeves)

The VROs first came out in 1984 and have been upgraded quite a few times. In my opinion, back around 1988, they had perfected them but I think that they were upgraded even more since then. As long as the warning system is operating as it should, I feel quite at ease with them.

Some boaters have voiced their thoughts such as "What if that overpriced plastic horn should fail while I'm under way for some reason, and the VRO decides to fail five minutes later?" Obviously that would result in a big problem which really brings their fears into view.

The word "ease" is the key word though. If one has the slightest feeling of being ill at ease with that setup, then they should take the route they feel more at ease with. A judgement call each individual would need to make on their own.

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(VRO Pump Conversion To Straight Fuel Pump)
(J. Reeves)

You can convert the VRO pump into a straight fuel pump, eliminating the oil tank and VRO pump warning system, but retain the overheat warning setup by doing the following:

1 - Cut and plug the oil line at the engine so that the oil side of the VRO pump will not draw air into its system. Trace the wires from the back of the VRO to its rubber plug (electrical plug) and disconnect it.

2 - Trace the two wires from the oil tank to the engine, disconnect those two wires, then remove them and the oil tank.

3 - Mix the 50/1 oil in the proper amount with whatever quantity fuel you have. Disconnect the fuel line at the engine. Pump the fuel primer bulb until fuel exits that hose with the tint of whatever oil you used. Reconnect the fuel hose.

That's it. If you want to test the heat warning system to ease your mind, have the key in the on position, then ground out the tan heat sensor wire that you'll find protruding from the cylinder head. The warning horn should sound off.

Your 2nd question..... Water is a perfect conductor of electricity but for water to cause the warning horn to engage, the inner wire of the TAN wire would need to have access to water which is in contact with the circuitry ground...... as the possible heavy moisture with the wiring harness laying in the bilge of a boat. It's happened but not often.

However, I see no route if this occurred whereas such a short would affect two components as you've mentioned. The horn would continue to sound with all sensors disconnected. Too unlikely to be considered.
 
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