Stubborn stains on my pontoon logs

bigdealsam

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I've tried Toon Brite from West Marine and an acid based product from Boaters Warehouse. In (parts of) three days I have managed to get "most" of the black tar like substance off of one of the tubes. I've used my pressure washer enough to burn nearly an entire tank of gas. There simply MUST be a better way. My elbow grease is way too old for this. Any ideas?
 

Scott Danforth

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once its clean, use a protectant like sharkhide

however I must ask, what black tar-like substance? do you have a pic?
 

gm280

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Without any pictures we can only assume what you are dealing with. If it is tar like, I am sure you tried mineral spirits and even lacquer thinner already. If it is tar, either of those chemicals will dissolve that tar very quickly. Need to post pictures. JMHO!
 

River Rover

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AC Coil Cleaner- get a gallon of the pink- spray it on - hose if off- won't shine but it'll clean..
 

WaterDR

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Don't use acid on your toons. Unless you plan to coat them and never leave the boat in the water.
 

Rickochet

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I have used Toon Brite for about 35 years. Good stuff. I talked to the inventor of Toon Brite years ago and it is a blend of about 7 different types of acid. I can't imagine it not taking off the black stuff. If mineral spirits or acetone won't take it off I wouldn't have a clue what it is. Maybe try a little heat from a hair dryer or heat gun then try scraping it a bit with a plastic putty knife and see if that helps.
 

MACH1SCJ

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I know this is on the old side. but was wondering if this is what your black tar like substance looked like ?
 

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WaterDR

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Guys, I am a in industrial water treatment consultant with a background in metallurgy for 25 years.

There are two four types of "deposits" that you will find a pontoon like this. One is organic...i.e. biological. The second is scale. The third is the result of an electrical chemical reaction....basically a corrosion by-product. The forth option would be something physically put in the toons by a person...such as a coating or perhaps something that got splashed in it. The only real way to know what is there would be to do an deposit analysis. Anything else is speculation.

Organic growth will scrub off and can generally be removed with a caustic-based cleaner or physical force like a power washer.

Scale (not likely) will come off with an acid. The only way you will get scale is if you are in very hard water.

The third issue (most common) is the result of a very natural reaction called corrosion that aluminum undergoes. When aluminum corrodes it reverts to aluminum oxide and turns dark black. This is a good thing....do not remove it. This is how aluminum protects itself from further corrosion. It is protective layer and if you take it off, you are subjecting yourself to further corrosion. Aluminum is SUPPOSED to be dark. Thats what it does.

As to the fourth option....well, unless you would know what it is, there is not point is trying.

For those that use things like coil clean, you are really just trashing the metal.
 
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