Stumped! Engine stall after start

MadMick

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Completely STUMPED!!




My rank: Newbie (2 years on water)

Engine: Rebuilt LB from ATK - Chevy 4.3 V6

Issue(s):
  1. Stalls approx 2 or 3 min after start - (I believe the fuel pump shuts off) - starts right up after every stall. RPMs at idle 650 to 700. Seems to stall at temp of 120 or above.
  2. Oil pressure registers 80psi at idle - previous engine always registered 40psi or there abouts at idle and at higher RPMs - (installed new oil pressure sensor, new oil sender, new oil filter, new oil/water separator



I ingested water in previous engine (1998 Mercruiser 4.3 V6) and decided it wasn’t worth fixing so bought rebuilt LB. I have spent every spare hour in the last 5 weeks building out the new engine. I stripped parts off my old motor and if they couldn’t be serviced or repaired I replaced with new parts. Believe me when I say I did not skimp or cut corners. If it looked dodgy it got replaced no matter what. I also replaced any/all sensors/sensors on the engine. I didn’t leave any of the old ones on the engine. All this was done under the guidence and watchful eye of experienced boat owners. I have also studied and read extensively all aspects of my task. I’m not saying I didn’t make any mistakes in the build out because I did and fixed all on my journey.




So the big day came to fire up the motor, out of boat, and everything went great. Started up perfectly but ran a little rough. After much adjusting I ended up putting a new Edelbrock 1409 carb on. It made a huge difference. Engine ran great. Had a Merc mechanic do the timing and after dialing it in I installed in my boat. Engine idles at 650/700rpms. Temp is right on at 160+/-




This was when things started to go sideways on me and I starter having the issues listed above. I had other minor issues but fixed all.




What I have done/checked to rectify my current issues:
  1. Confirmed fuel pump works
  2. Confirmed no blockage in fuel lines from bottom of gas tank syphon to the carb.
  3. Confirmed & tested wiring connections from starter to fuel pump were good.
  4. Confirmed all grounds were good.



It appears to me and others that the fuel pump is shutting off shortly after start up. I know that the pump gets Its initial power from the starter and that once running the control of the fuel pump gets handed off to the oil pressure sensor or sender.




Could I have installed the incorrect sender/sensor? (Dual instead of single station) If so which one is possibly wrong part? Would a dual station create the issues I’m having?




My confusion stems from what terminology is used for these parts as from my reading it seems that people call the sender the sensor and visa versa so I’m having issues determining which is which. This is also the case when looking at Merc diagrams from different sources.




Any help would be appreciated before I have to hand this project off to a marine mechanic and get hit with more costs. I will also admit that I want to finish this project myself. Yes it’s a pride thing at this stage.
 

Maclin

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Welcome Aboard!

The power to the fuel pump with key in the Run position comes from an oil pressure switch, not a sender. An oil pressure switch has 2 wires and is in series with the ignition switch power. It is normally open in electrics terminology, then when oil pressure hits 5-10psi or so it closes and the pump circuit is complete.

So, if you did not use a switch then that is a problem. If you did, and it is plumbed properly, then it may be failing. If there is a switch, then for diagnostic purposes you can build a jumper and connect the two terminals and the fuel pump should run.
 

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M, appreciate the reply and info.

Just need to clarify a few more things. Hoping my photos are in order.

Pic #1 and #2 - parts I found from my latest search. Which one for my application as I can’t tell the difference.
Pic #3 - is this the part you referred to in your response?
Pc #4 - this is part I installed but may be wrong one?
 

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Scott06

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It’s an 1/8 pipe thread get some fittings and hook air pressure up to the threaded end above 4 psi you should have continuity across the terminals

possible you got a bad switch
 

MadMick

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Scott06, thanks for reply.

I will be testing tonight but I'm thinking I received a bad switch OR I bought the wrong one. That is why I posted photos of the switch options I found and the actual one I installed. Do you know looking, at the photos and the part #'s, if I did in fact buy wrong switch and if so which of the other 2 is the correct one?

Best,

MM
 

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All those switches should be interchangeable. I believe your 98 calls for 87-805024 but if you search you'll see that gets superceded by the other numbers.
 

Maclin

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All of the ones in your pics are switches and not just sending units, so I believe you used the correct unit.
 

MadMick

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Gents many thanks for the help.

Yet another question regarding the oil pressure reading of 80psi. Like I said I’m my old engine it always stayed around 40psi so this latest reading on my engine has me concerned.

So:
1. Is 80psi Witkin spec?
2. If not would that reading have something to do with my possibly faulty or wired wrong oil / fuel pump switch?
 

Maclin

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What is the oil pressure gauge hooked to? You should have a sending unit and the pressure switch, gauge sensing wire hooked to the sending unit.
 

greno

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Get a manual oil pressure gauge and screw it into the oil sender location on the block. That will give you the accurate oil pressure. Then you can decide whether you have an oil sender problem or not.
 

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Is 80psi Witkin spec?

It is IF a high volume oil pump was installed. If this is a standard motor rebuild then it should not have a high volume pump in the motor.

A standard rebuild motor should have around 20 psi at idle and my have higher if its cold. It could be your oil switch (fuel pump) is swapped with the oil sender (oil gauge).

What motor is this, have a serial number or at least a year?
 

MadMick

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It’s a rebuilt LB crate motor. Just got it 5 weeks ago. I put on Quicksilver Mercruiser oil filter = 35-866340Q03. I’m not sure NOW if it was the right one?
 
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alldodge

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It’s a rebuilt LB crate motor. Just got it 5 weeks ago.

I know that, I need to know what the motor was before the replacement. Your using the wiring harness, sensors, fuel pump and all kinds of things of the old motor. By using all these items, this makes your new motor the same as your old one
 

MadMick

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UPDATE!! - took off old oil/fuel switch and spotted issue. (Remember I’m a novice) - I had wrapped the part in plumbers tape!! Took off tape wire brushed the treads and put it back in. Ran motor and had same issue. Took it off and put on the new part I bought and it’s running like a clock!!

My other concern is now the oil pressure as it’s now holding at approx 70 but goes to 80 when I increase RPMs.

RPMs at idle = 650
Temp is up to 160 and holding fast
Oil pressure = 70 but goes to 80, top of guage, when RPMs are increased.
 

MadMick

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M,

I have a sending unit and the pressure switch with gauge sensing wire hooked to the sending unit.

MM
 

greno

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Check the oil pressure with a manual gauge (non-electric). 70 psi is high for normal marine idle pressure. This isn't the drag strip. A high-pressure oil pump will deliver that kind of pressure. If it's a Melling you can install a lower pressure spring. You may also have a stuck relief valve in the pump, the wrong oil filter, a bad oil pump, or a bad gauge/sender.
 
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MadMick

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AllDodge - old motor was
1998 Mercruiser 4.3L Alpha 1 Gen 2 (262 CID)
Serial #: 0L 010141
Model #: 4221015LS
 

MadMick

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AllDodge her is old engine info
1998 Mercruiser
4.3L Alpha 1 Gen 2 (262 CID - Gen 2)
Serial #: 0L 010141
Model #: 4221015LS
 

MadMick

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Update 2 - took off oil pressure sensor and again I had wrapped it in plumbers tape. :rolleyes: Removed, cleaned and put back in but no change. Thinking I got another dud part. Will pick u new one tomorrow and swap out.
 
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