Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

acdc96

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Hi,
I'm turning a small 2-stroke outboard under 10HP into a racing outboard...
I want to make/install a cheap or homade turbo/super charger on to the carb to deliver more air to the engine. It needs to be for marine use cause I will be using it in saltwater. It will have to be eletricly driven and be small in size.

Any ideas or thoughts on this????

Thanks
 

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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

Hi,
I'm turning a small 2-stroke outboard under 10HP into a racing outboard...
I want to make/install a cheap or homade turbo/super charger on to the carb to deliver more air to the engine. It needs to be for marine use cause I will be using it in saltwater. It will have to be eletricly driven and be small in size.

Any ideas or thoughts on this????

Thanks

Ayuh,.... I think yer dreamin', 'n physics has got ya Beat,....
 

Silvertip

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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

Check with the Radio Control Airplane folks (Jet engine type). Perhaps you can get one of their jet engines that has thrown up so to speak. Rebuild it and use a high speed electric motor to drive it. You could buy a new one for about $3,000. You won't find an electrically driven "turbo charger" but you might find a small supercharger that could be electrically driven. What class are you planning to run in? Google will be your friend with this issue. I'm skeptical as are the others, but I try to keep an open mind so keep us posted as to what you find.
 

GA_Boater

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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

Have you thought about a speed control for the E-motor driven supercharger. At idle or low RPMs you need less boost than at higher RPMs. Also any thoughts on reducing compression? It just might be good for blowing out head gaskets. Tuning this thing will be a nightmare, to say the least. Yeah, I'm skeptical as well, but it's your project so good luck.
 

Chinewalker

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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

If this is your Force 9.9, you are wasting your time. Keep in mind that whatever you push into a 2-stroke has to come out and the exhaust on most service motors simply isn't up to the task. That, and if you try spinning up a Force 9.9 beyond it's limits, you'd better be wearing a flack jacket...
 
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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

you can buy a turbo charger off the shelf for a 10hp motor then modify the exhaust so it drives the turbo (small electrical oil pump is also sold for the turbo bearing and to keep it cool). will it give you more power with out changing the ports or compression?.

changing the port shape will give you better results and if that doesn't work look at the nitrous kits they sell

2-stroke Small Engine Fuel Injection Kits
Turbocharger and EFI Fuel Injection kits
 

nwcove

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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

i think the op may be better off going the route of a non-mechanical supercharger. jmo
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

Couple of things you need to remember:
1. Two cycle engines have an effective displacement of about 66% of the displacement computed by bore and stroke. That is why a two cycle engine of a given advertised displacement delivers only about 2/3 more power rather than twice the power of a four cycle of the same displacement. (two cycle has twice the power strokes so you would expect twice the horsepower).
2. Because the bypass and exhaust ports are on the same plane, the cylinder effectively goes to atmospheric pressure when both are open.
3. The piston can only suck into the crankcase a MAXIMUM of 2/3 the advertised displacement. With reed valves, because of the resistance of opening the reeds, the effective pumping becomes less. Low boost supercharging can increase pumping efficiency but in the case of small two cycle outboards, the premium paid to run the supercharger will probably offset any horsepower gains.
4. You can supercharge, but anything in excess of 2/3 displacement will simply blow out the exhaust ports. In fact, on naturally aspirated racing engines, some of the fresh charge will blow out the ports anyway. THAT is why many small racing engines are run on tuned pipes. Go over to scream and fly and look at some piped "Hot Rod" engines.
5. Thus: Supercharging will be a very costly and inefficient way to TRY to gain more power. Port work, tuned pipes, aftermarket reeds, carburetion, and carb velocity stacks are the best ways to increase horsepower.

In addition, if your engine is a Force as alluded to above, it is dirt simple crossflow, old-school design. Don't expect too much from it. That is just basic design physics.

And remember too: If the supercharger is mounted before the carb and you use a high boost, the pressure will decrease the amount of fuel delivered by the venturi. The carb needs to be mounted on the supercharger intake. All in all a complex job.
 
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Chris1956

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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

What about a scuba tank and regulator to provide compressed air? As long as the race is short enough, it should work.
 

acdc96

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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

I've seen people put computer fans on the carb. It's connected to a rocker/toggle switch to turn it on & off, with a manual rotory dial that controls the fan speed. I tried it on a 49cc moped and I saw a small increase in power, but I only put in a toggle switch so the fan only ran at a constant speed.
 
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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

One of the things you gotta' take into account when messing with 2 stroke engines is that if you actually manage to increase the density of air entering the carb that you'll need to re-jet accordingly or risk trashing the engine.

I used to race 2 stroke go-carts and I can tell you that there's definitely an art to setting up 2-stroke racing engines.
 

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Re: Super / Turbo Charged Outboard

Search NSU motorcycle very small 2 stroke engine, set record at Salt Flats, about 40 years ago. This engine had some kind of boost, can`t remember details.
 
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