swapping volvo 350

adamkat22

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i'm getting ready to swap the 350 in my boat. it has a VP 280 outdrive. i'm a newbie to this but will have the help of a friend who is familiar with these engines in auto applications (we will be using a truck engine for the swap). i've looked all around but can't really find a post that has a tutorial on what that swap will look. if anyone has good resources (posts, youtube videos, etc) that would be helpful please let me know? I assume the outdrive will need to be pulled and that is something that will be new for both myself and the person helping me. thanks for any thoughts...
 

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The only thing you can use from the truck motor is the longblock.
 

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What engine was in the boat before? Reason for the swap?
 

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It was a 350 in there before but it is seized. I plan on getting the truck block and swapping over all the marinized parts. I have the help of an auto mechanic but am looking for information that will fill in the gaps on the marine specific steps in this project (i.e. Anything involving the outdrive?)
 

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outdrive has to come off before removing motor from boat.
 

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outdrive has to come off before removing motor from boat.

No. the outdrive can remain bolted on.
You need to unbolt the flywheel cover from the engine. Take teh forward mounts loose from the 4 lower mounting lag bolts and after un hooking all teh other stuff it will slide forward and up.
 

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Are you in saltwater or fresh water only as that will make a deference on what you need to do to the longblock,
 

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No. the outdrive can remain bolted on.
You need to unbolt the flywheel cover from the engine. Take teh forward mounts loose from the 4 lower mounting lag bolts and after un hooking all teh other stuff it will slide forward and up.

it takes 20 minutes to remove the outdrive to do it correctly. The flywheel shield screws are impossible to get to from above with the motor sitting between stringers, which would prevent you from simply just sliding the motor forward.

from start to finish (assuming you have the right hoisting equipment set up), it takes an hour to have the motor out, and that is baging and labeling the bolts, removing the out drive, and not disconnecting the power steering. it also gives you a chance to inspect the u-joints like you are supposed to yearly
 

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I i guess i did the impossible then because i removed the engine. Its a AQ280 there is no need to remove the transmission to take the engine out. Removing the outdrive or transmission has nothing to do with removing the engine depending on what he wants to do.
Its a choice of how you want to take it out.
If you want to remove the flywheel cover with the engine then yes the outdrive needs to come off. You may end up splitting them apart anyway as the 6 bolts holding the flywheel cover to the transom shield my be corroded and need heat applied to the thread area to get them out. When out you would want to replace the PDS bearings and seals Upon installation you need to do a 1 time flywheel cover alignment and install with 2 new rubber rings
If you just want the engine out the flywheel cover can stay in and outdrive on.

http://www.baylinerownersclub.org/i...sion/68906-well-this-is-not-goign-to-end-good
 
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Depending on the year?? the block might not work with the flywheel from the boat???
​The mid 80's 350Volvo used a light duty block and the crank was different and the flywheel(from a v-6 Camaro) was different.
Look at the donor motor and compare crank ends.
 

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Depending on the year?? the block might not work with the flywheel from the boat???

Ayuh,.... The crank shaft bolt pattern changed in '86,.....

Both the large bolt pattern(pre-86), 'n the small bolt pattern(post-86) is available in both the 12" flywheel, 'n the 14" flywheel,....

I believe Volvo used the 12" flywheel,....

Also very important is that the block is drilled, 'n tapped for the straight across bolt pattern starter, to match the 12" flywheel,....
If the block has only the staggered pattern starter mount, ya can't use it,....
 
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Regarding the drive removal, on that model only the top part of the drive has to come off to get to the bolts that hold the primary drive shaft housing to the transom. Removal is same procedure as changing drive bellows. Primary drive shaft housing and Bell housing all comes out with the engine.
 

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If you are just wanting to change your engine you only need to unbolt the Flywheel cover, Take off the lower inspection plate, Exhaust, Wiring, Water hose, Motor mounts, The engine will slide forward then up and out

What you need to do to the replacement engine is a whole other thread by it self.

Being a older AQ series drive this is what you should do.

Remove the entire outdrive as it will make getting to the 6 bolts easier. Lower unit first, Then Transmission, Then the center section. Then the steering yoke and helmet.
Disconnect the engine from everything except the Flywheel cover. Carefully try to remove the 6 bolts at the rear. If they come out and the clamp ring comes off the engine will now slide forward and up/out
If the 6 bolts will not come out you will need to unbolt the engine from the Flywheel cover(FC) and take the engine out. Once the engine is out you will see 6 bosses where the 6 bolts are on the inside of the FC. You will need to apply heat to each one to remove the bolts one at a time. Once the 6 bolts are out the FC will now come out.
There are two bearings and 2 seals that you need to replace in the FC that hold your Primary Drive Shaft(PDS) Will be BIG BUCKS if they fail and being this old why take the chance The bearings and seals are under $30. You will also need to replace the 2 big rubber sealing rings.
Once you have it all ready to go back in you can either put it in as one piece or the FC first then the engine
I had to put my FC in first then the engine as it takes less space in front of the engine as together its about 4 in to long for the room i have.
Once you have the engine/FC in you need to do a alignment. Do not tighten the 6 bolts or MM bolts just snug them up for nor. Its easy, only done once. Do a google search for it and you will find a howto AQ280 Engine alignment.

So now your engine is aligned and bolts are torqued you can start putting to outdrive back on.
At the top of your Transom shield where the Steering yoke slides in there are two bushings you need to change and on the yoke there is a seal. The cost is under $30 and changing them will keep it water tight and no slop at that pivot point. Make sure your yoke and steering arm are center to each other. Have a helper push up on the steering yoke as you tighten the inside steering arm
The center section goes on first and you might want to replace the Hose connection if it is eroded and a new Exhaust bellows Nothing really special with this just fallow the manual and its done but dont forget the shift cable.
With 2 new "O" rings reinstall the lower unit and Torque to spec.
Next is the upper Transmission. Check the U-Joints if you feel they are good reuse em but i would buy new ones just to be safe and change them.
New U-Joint bellows are a must as well as new "O"Rings Now put the Transmission on Torque to spec and be sure to align and tighten all hose clamps
Fallow the manual and do a pressure/Vacuum test. If it passes fill with oil and you should be good to go.
Forgot to mention between the transmission ans mid section there will be shims under the bearing. DO NOT LOSE them as you need them to go back just as they were.
Probably forgot to mention something but look at teh manual and you will figure it out.

http://www.michiganmotorz.com/flywheel-1986-later-engines-12¾-diameter-p-154.html

http://boatinfo.no/lib/library.html#

http://www.marinepartseurope.com/en/volvo-penta-cat-7743320.aspx
 

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Wow ok that's a lot of info thanks. I will look for the manuals and do some googling.

FYI it's brackish water so I'm aware I need to swap out a lot of the stuff from my prior engine and understand that's a whole new thread. Thanks everyone ...I'm sure I'll have more questions
 

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Removing the PDS housing and bellhousing with the engine gives you a chance to r&r the bearings in the PDS (Primary Drive Shaft) housing. Something to consider, if the bearings go out the driveshaft can break the housing.
 
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