Tax question... going to need a guru for this one

JustJason

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Okay, here's the situation. Fileing my taxes and need to know wether nor not I have to claim some stock I sold as income... it's tricky, and here is why.

I'm 32 right now.

Back when I was about 14 or 15, I recieved some stock valued at just under 10K as a gift, but it was more like a bribe, and at the time I didn't know about it. I didn't even find out about it until I was 18 or so.

This is the story on the stock. My grandfather started liquidating his estate about 10 years before he died, he had 3 children and wanted to split everything equally, and wanted to do by "gifting" money in the form of stock, to get around estate and other taxes.

Now this is where it get's messy and confusing.

My mother has 3 children (including myself). She has 2 brothers. 1 brother has 1 child, the other brother has 6 children.

What my grandfather, and mother and uncles decided to do was to give every child the initial gift of 10k, then every year after that, my grandfather would "gift" 10k in stock to each of his children, then another 10K to each grandchild, in turn each grandchild was required to "re-gift" that money back to their parent, or aunts an uncles.
So the uncle with 6 kids, those kids were gifting money to my mother and the other uncle with 1 kid so in the end each of the 3 children of my grandfather would have equal amounts of the estate.

Whew... hope you can follow that so far.

So essentially all of the grandchildren were "tax straws".
I don't know about the other grandchildren, but my parents never told me they were doing any of this.
All of the accounts in my name, all of the signing of documents, all of the signing of stocks certificates etc, was all done without my knowledge, and my signature was forged by my parents on everything until I was about 18 and I found out about the whole scheme.
After I found out, I blew up at everybody and refused to play along, (which screwed things up for everybody else big time) but that is for another story.

Over the years the number of shares as doubled (splits) and it's overall value has doubled. About 6 or 7 years ago, I sold some of the stock to help me pay for college. I do not recall if I recieved any kind of official tax form for that. This past year I sold some more of it. About 3 grand so not a huge number. This year I recieved a form 1099-B.

It clearly says on the form "This is important tax information and is being furnished to the IRS etc etc."

So my question is, is do I have to report this money as income? It technically was a gift 15 years ago that just gained some value. If I do have to report it, how to I report it as non-income? If I don't report it am I going to get the big screw via an audit from the IRS?

What do I do here? I really can't afford a CPA/Tax guy and i'm not taking my taxes to the sears/hr block monkeys.

Thanks all.
 

Summer Fun

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Re: Tax question... going to need a guru for this one

If I'm reading your post right ??. Yes pay on the gain side of the stock.
If the stock was worth $5.000 when you got it and now its worth $8.000.
You pay tax on the $3.000 you made. Or if you cashed it in then thats taxable.
I'm not a CPA so I could be wrong. :D
 

Bass Tracker TX17

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Re: Tax question... going to need a guru for this one

If I'm reading your post right ??. Yes pay on the gain side of the stock.
If the stock was worth $5.000 when you got it and now its worth $8.000.
You pay tax on the $3.000 you made. Or if you cashed it in then thats taxable.
I'm not a CPA so I could be wrong. :D

I think your right.
A gift is a gift up to certain amount for that date and legal laws of that time.

When something like that earns money then your responsible for the taxes above the primary amount. AS far as before you were 18 and yada yada. i would really talk to a lawyer or tax guy cause there could be a underlying lack of tax payments in there somewhere
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Tax question... going to need a guru for this one

You're asking this question in the wrong place. You should be asking a board certified tax attorney or a CPA.



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JRJ

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Re: Tax question... going to need a guru for this one

Just pay the taxes. Easy come, easy go :D
 

gonefishie

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Re: Tax question... going to need a guru for this one

Since we're on the subject of tax, I got one that I'm not familiar with. I switched employer last year and had my pension rolled over to the new employer 403b plan. I thought roll over is not taxable but they included this amount to my total income on the W-2 so I'll have to pay tax on that. Is that normal?
 

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Re: Tax question... going to need a guru for this one

You must pay on the amount of capital gain, based on the increase in value after it became yours.

I liquidated all of my equities a few years back and went to insured fixed income paper. I saw the crash coming.

The problem I had was tracking the trading value of my stocks when I inherited them, but the difference between that and the original purchase price was enormous and worth the trouble.

When I changed the return from capital gains since purchased to capital losses since inherited the bottom line went from $20K tax owed to $20K refund.

Talk to a CPA about those that you sold 6 years ago. You owe taxes on those capital gains (if any), too.
 

bruceb58

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Re: Tax question... going to need a guru for this one

Since we're on the subject of tax, I got one that I'm not familiar with. I switched employer last year and had my pension rolled over to the new employer 403b plan. I thought roll over is not taxable but they included this amount to my total income on the W-2 so I'll have to pay tax on that. Is that normal?
read this article:
http://www.money-zine.com/Financial-Planning/Retirement/403b/

Did you satisfy the 60 day rule?
 

KRS

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Re: Tax question... going to need a guru for this one

Receiving stocks isn't a taxable event.

Stocks are assets; assets like that aren't taxed. Income is taxed. When you sell, that's income. If there are dividends, that's income.

Time to go see a CPA.

KRS
 
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