test drove a new boat yesterday and have some questions

stackz

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sorry, this will be sort of long winded, I want to get as much info for responses as possible.

put a deposit this weekend on a 2014 21' sea skiff (carolina skiff) with a 2013 suzuki DF115 engine on it.

here's the engine it has:
http://www.suzukimarine.com/Product Lines/Outboard Motors/Products/DF115/2012/DF115A.aspx

took it out yesterday afternoon and I must say I'm extremely impressed with how quiet it is and how quick it is.

the question comes about mainly due to how new of a model the boat itself is. Its new to the point the sales guy we're working with admitted the dealership hasnt even had a chance to get one of the boats in the water for testing yet. apparently they only had to two examples about a week before the boat show. the other one wasnt even factory finished out yet and the manufacturer tech was coming to finish it out lol.

they put on a 19 pitch 3-blade no-name prop (I believe actual numbers were 3x14x19 the side of it). we got it in the water and it did jump up quick and got on plane quick.

we were cruising at 35mph @ 5000rpm and I think it hit 45~46mph at 6000rpm. he said you could hear it bouncing at redline a little and he only kept it up there a short time since the motor was so new and not broken in.

do these numbers sound right? he said the tech's at the dealership were guessing at what prop to use and he was going to report the numbers back to them. said they might take it out a time or two more to test others out on it depending on what they say. kinda interesting.

it was also choppy as all get out yesterday lol.

one other thing. I've always had great respect for what could happen bad when boating so I never have pushed boats in the past. This guy's been selling boats for 20 years and lots of my friends in the boating community know him and how good he is with boats.

he wanted to see how the boat turns and such to get a better feel for the hull for when selling them in the future so he started doing some high speed tight turns (wife loved it. she grabbed the oh-crap bars and held on lol).

it was actually kind of fun as I wouldnt have the nerve to try it but watching him do it, I at least know the boat can handle it if the need arises. I'd personally be too scared to try it thinking I'd flip the boat or something crazy.

anyway, twice in turns, the boat got this goofy flat noise from the engine as if it were over-revving. He'd play with the trim and it would come out of it. I asked him back at the ramp what that was and he said it was causing the engine cavitate and that trimming it will take it out of that.

he was kind of shocked I had no clue what it was as he knows me and knows I'm very mechanically inclined and owned several boats.

I just explained to him how I wrote it up above, that I've never pushed a boat as I'm nervous about something horrible happening. he laughed a little and said he was gonna tell some of my friends so they'd rib me a little haha.

so I guess my second question is I'd like a better explanation of what happens during cavitation? The engine had over-rev protection on it so I dont think anything bad happened but what happens if you experience this too often? are there cures for it? are there things to look out for?

All my past boats were dual console runabouts that were small enough I never wanted to push them just because of how small they were. this boat is one I feel I can finally get into some serious boating with and I want to learn the proper way a boat like this behaves before I hurt the engine and such.

Its also kind of weird but even though its got an 8' beam on it and is a 21' boat, it was leaning a bit and he even mentioned it seems like the boat was weight sensitive so I'm wondering if I need to think about getting some trim tabs too?
 

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Re: test drove a new boat yesterday and have some questions

Trim tabs are not usually needed on a 21' boat, they can be a headache, unless they're Smart tabs,,, otherwise hydraulic ones have a slight delay before correcting. Not needed, unless you have trouble getting on plane. I've rolled my boats up on their it's sides many times at power in a hard turn, to test out their handling. You might get your elbows in the water,,,LOL, Sometimes you'll get a bit of momentary prop slip (no big deal). If your trim is up some, and you take it down when doing this, the prop slip will stop.

By the way, I'd go for the 140hp, or 150hp, myself, if it's not too much more money? A 21 footer is a good size boat!
 
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stackz

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Re: test drove a new boat yesterday and have some questions

to be honest, with the way the holeshot was and with how it cruises with the 115hp, I'm more than happy with it. I'll take the little extra gas savings too lol.

just got called back that we're all set to go with finishing up the paperwork and bringing the boat home. he also said we got a 6yr motor warranty vs the 3 yr to boot, cant beat that!

I guess as far as the leaning under power. I'll have to goof with it some then. it was just odd that with 3 people on the boat (wife in middle, salesman in middle) and me to the side, that it would definitely lean under power with me on the one side or the other. I guess its because the boat was otherwise pretty much empty and I'm 180lb of weight on one side or the other. should be different I guess when its got ice and such in the various cooler openings.

I mean it is a 21' boat that only weighs 2000lb with the engine. aside from that it was just the battery in the very back and fuel in the tank and my body keeping the center of gravity off center.
 
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Re: test drove a new boat yesterday and have some questions

What you experienced is prop blowout, a temporary condition when the stern hits or makes a trough (or goes airborne) due to some maneuver and the prop gets "uncovered", and overrevving is the main concern. Just slow down, or come out of the turn, or adjust the trim in this case.

Cavitation is when the prop spins in (or "makes") frothy water for some reason, usually hull design or some accessory mounted on the stern low or prop not deep enough, etc. when running straight. It boils the water into tiny bubles that are abrasive as heck evidently because when prolonged it will burn the prop surface and edges.
 

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Ideal is testing combo on flat glassy no wind sea conditions for best performance, find insame to test that combo with no engine break in period whatsoever. If it were mine would perform the break in period and then go for a wot spin with just 2, driver and yourself and check achieved rpm to check if near its max wot rpm factory stated for that engine. Then will know for sure if in need to maximize prop pitch to achieve best combo water performance.

If having aereation, cavitation issues at close turns could lower the engine a bit, but that must be done under trial and errror untill best engine transom height is matched, that's why is ideal testing on flat no wind sea conditions.

Happy Boating
 
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stackz

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Re: test drove a new boat yesterday and have some questions

What you experienced is prop blowout,

thats what it was! couldnt remember the term. we were talking about all kinds of stuff yesterday and I guess I got some of the conversation backwards.

so thats probably why he was trimming it back down, gotcha.
 

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Re: test drove a new boat yesterday and have some questions

People use the term " blow out", when they really mean ventilation.

Any boat prop will ventilate in a sharper turn; some more than others. It just means the prop is losing some grip, which is usually regained by trimming in and/or reducing the angle of the turn.

Blow out is a completely different(and dangerous) thing.

It occurs with high performance boats running high motor/drive heights.

It is typically preceded by a loose steering feel, in crease in rpm with no increase in speed, and a sort of drop of the nose(bow). Worst case is is a vicious turn to the right(typically), sometimes throwing you from the boat.

The OP will never experience blow out with his boat. Just some prop ventilation when he turns aggressively. No big deal.
 
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Re: test drove a new boat yesterday and have some questions

Yup, thanks jestor, I really was talking about ventilation.
 
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