test run...failed

medic

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Thought I was doing good. Now I am back where we started. This is how it went today, after a carb rebuild and testing it under load at a local marina. 1982 OMC 2.5 liter (4cyl) OMC sterndrive.<br /><br />On the way to the lake, stopped by Wal-Mart and picked up some gas treatment. Then stopped and put some gas in the boat, along with the treatment. 89 octane. Just a little over 3/4 of a tank full. At the lake, launched the boat. Started it and it idled great. Put in reverse and backed away from the ramp. Put it in forward gear and coasted out of the wake zone. Asked the wife if she was ready and floored it. Perfect, no problems.<br /><br />We had been cruising the lake for almost an hour. At this particular time just a little over half throttle and the boat dies. Started it back up and she pulled out fine. Wide open throttle, died. Like it is not getting any fuel. Now these problems are similar to before, just not as severe, at this time. So, we are riding around a little more and it comes to the point that I think we are going to have to be towed back in. I had to adjust idle screw to keep it idling. And when we were able to pull out, the boat would die when giving it any gas at all. A couple of times she even backfired. After numrerous tries I was finally able to get it going and kept in running by giving it just enough gas to keep it a little over idle speed. Anything more and it would die. Tank is now a little below half.<br /><br />I don't think this is a carb problem now or it would not have run to begin with. I think that it may be water in tank. And it just wont run on water :) . (trying to make the best of a bad situation here) The boat sat for almost a year and had less than half a tank of gas when I got it. Does anyone have any idea of what is going on here? Like I said she run perfect for almost an hour. Then the same problems as before. Could it be starving for fuel? Where is the fuel pump? This may be an unrelated problem, but when all of this happened and when I tried restarting, the drivebelt would squeal like crazy. It does seem kind of loose and not much room for tightening it up.<br /><br />One other thing. When it would die, it would almost not restart. <br /><br />Help please, summer is fading fast.<br /><br />Medic
 

pra100

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Re: test run...failed

On the belt.Have you put a new belt on?If have to I have gone to parts house and bought a 1/2 size smaller belt to be able to ajust.The other have you replace fuel filter?I had a part of a tank of older gas that had gotten a little condisation in it.I went through 3 filters before I got it burned up.Also have you checked the tank vent?Just some thoughts.
 

medic

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Have thought about getting a smaller belt. Don't know how to get it on though. The front of the engine as the trim hardware on it and the belt is behind it.<br /><br />No, I have not replaced the filter. If that is the problem, why would it run at first then start having problems?
 

tylerin

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Re: test run...failed

My first thought was vapor lock. Just throwing out ideas
 

medic

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How do I diagnose and repair a vapor lock?
 

McKenzie

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Install a clear disposable filter before the carb. When the engine acts up, take a look at the filter, is the gas bubbly inside? If so its vapor lock. Vapor lock is caused by the gas boiling from the heat of the engine. To correct it, move the fuel lines away from the block or heat producing items.
 

medic

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Do you mean to install the "clear" filter after the existing filter and before carb. I can't. The fuel line is metal at that location.<br /><br />I am looking at getting a new fuel filter/water seperator and getting rid of the "old style" setup that I have now. There is a rubber hose on the carb that appears to be a vent or vacuum hose. I don't have the boat with me now and I am wondering where that hose comes from.<br /><br />In doing some searching on here, it appears that "OMCStringer" had the exact same problem. Does anyone know how he fixed it? I am hoping this will draw his attention. His email is not listed.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />medic
 

tmclendon

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Re: test run...failed

I had the exact same problem about a month ago, it may have been in a thread by OMCstringer. '83 OMC 3.8L V-6, 800 Stringer, Holley 450 cfm marine carb.<br /><br />Anyway, we changed the water sep filter, the fuel line, the fuel pump, and never fixed it. I sold the boat last weekend, took a big hit on the price because I could not fix the problem. <br /><br />It acted a lot like vaper lock, but might have been a float or needle valve problem in the carb. I have a clear filter in the fuel line and you could see fuel splashing into it as the engine turned over, but not going any further.<br /><br />Hope you have better luck that I did!<br /><br />Tom
 

McKenzie

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medic: I'm not sure about your setup but on mine the metal fuel line ends 3 inches before the carb and a rubber hose fills the gap. Pull that off and stick it onto one end of the clear filter. Get a short piece of fuel hose and clamp it onto the metal fuel line and the other end to the filter. It doesn't have to be pretty, just in plain view and free of leaks. Once your done diagnosing, remove the filter. Or not, what ever you please. If there isn't that short piece of hose before the carb like mine, you could shorten the metal tube and install a short rubber piece.
 

Yepblaze

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Sounds like it's picking up water. Pull the carb and invert it over a tray or pan and see if any water is present.<br /><br />A dirty or partially plugged fuel filter can cause that kind of issue.<br /><br />Also a ignition condenser (if it has points) or a marginal ignition coil, (or module if electronic ignition) can also act up like that.
 

medic

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I have already rebuilt the carb and would rather not pull it off again. I too think it is water. Get this...after getting the boat moving, again. I was ok as long as I did not give it alot of gas. I was only able to give it enough gas to make her move and that was it. Anything more and she would die. I guess I'll have to drain the tank. What would be proper disposable of the gas?<br /><br />Yepblaze, you say to turn the carb over and see if water comes out. How would I know? Seems like gas would come out too.<br /><br />Keep the ideas coming.
 

Isletoiz

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Re: test run...failed

Have you checked your tank vents?.. sounds like a vacuum lock.. make sure the tank vents aren't plugged. Question..does your boat start and run fine after it sits for awhile?
 

akriverrat

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water. remove, empty, replace water seperator canister. each time it happens. add gas dryer at each fill. simple, cheap and 99% of the time all that is needed. why it can/does happen after hour/s of running is because that is how long it takes to get that much water in filter. if that doesn't work THEN go looking for other things.
 

medic

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Isletoiz,<br /><br />No, I have not checked the tank vents yet. Yes, it does start and run after sitting for awhile. This problem happened about 3 weeks ago when I had the boat on the water for the first time. I brought it home and it started fine. Rebuilt the carb and left on vacation. When I put it back in the water this past weekend, everything was fine for about 40 -50 min. Then the same problems. It is talked about in an earlier posting.<br /><br />akriverrat, <br /><br />I plan on emptying the tank sometime this week. What would one recommend on doing with the fuel after I take it out. I too am leaning towards water. I had the problem of after getting it started that I was able to go after giving it just enough gas to make the boat move. Anything more and it would die. This still sound like water? It does to me.<br /><br />Is this "gas dryer" called "gas dryer" or something else.<br /><br />Thanks.
 

hoot

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welcome to the world of boating medic!! more complicated than saving people from themselves. if the boat ran good cold and bad hot, it could be igniton related. the backfiring sounds like timing could be off. check points & cond (if equipted this way), coil, ignition module, distributer and rotor, spark plug wires. i covered the fuel lines under the 'dog house' with foil to reflect the heat. vapor lock has never been a problem. check gas tank vent, sometimes this gets clogged up and a vacuum will develop in the gas tank.
 

cobra 3.0

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Put some methyl hydrate in your tank. The water will be absorbed by it. A gallon of the stuff may be required. Stay away from gasohol unless you intend to use it within a month. It attracts water! Methyl hydrate(wood alcohol) is used up north in car gas tanks to stop fuel lines from freezing when condensation/water gets in the tank during very cold weather.
 

medic

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I got a chance to talk to OMCStringer. He has the same engine and had the same problem. Says that the ignition coil was the culprit. Would run fine until it got hot. I can relate. I had a car that did the same thing.<br /><br />So, I plan on emptying the tank and filling with fresh gas. Checking the vent tubing and then replacing fuel filter, points, condensor and ignition coil. Plugs are good and I may change the wires too.<br /><br />We'll see how it turns out. Thanks again.<br />Medic
 

magster65

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Look in the carb after it dies and pump the throttle to see if there's fuel.<br />Check your fuel pressure at running speeds.<br />Have your coil checked.<br />Your fuel line should be solid steel from the pump to the carb.
 
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