Test Tank

bigb56

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Can I use a 55 gallon drum for a test tank in order to run my Evinrude 30 to full throttle? I know I am not supposed to do it with the muffs. I actually have a 100 gallon water heater tank that I will cut open and end up with about 65-75 gallon capacity.
 

JB

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Re: Test Tank

Howdy, bigb.

That 30 would make a big mess at WOT in that small of a tank.

I suggest either a 500 gallon (or more) stock tank or a test wheel (replaces prop but puts a proper load on the engine).

I used a 1,000 gallon stock tank to test my Suzi DF70.
 

jim j geezer

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Yes. You CAN successfully use either a steel or plastic 55G barrel to use as a test tank. Oddly, I found it best to think backwards!

I might have preferred a steel barrel but, cheapskate that I am, I settled on being GIVEN a heavy plastic/PVC barrel.

1. Gotta be able to drain it, right? I drilled a 1" hole about 1" up from the bottom of the barrel. A standard boat drain plug fits just right.

2. Mark a point straight up from the drain plug. A Magic Marker worked for me to create about a 2" vertical line from the very top and extending down. <-- That's gonna be the center of your splash guard.

3. From that vertical line, and using a tape measure, I measured and marked points about 8" out to each side right at the top, again using about 2" vertical lines.

4. Then I went and got all artistic with some lines of compound curves. See pic #1

5. Then I decided that I just wasn't likely to ever be dealing with long shaft (20") outboards, and besides... who needs/wants to lift one of these awkward beast an extra 4" if it can reasonably be avoided, so I set my sights on making mine exclusively for 16" short shaft engines. Now to do some maths. My cerrent largest outboard is a 65HP Merc. Gotta figure prop diameters for thos occasions when a skeg might be partially broken off. I wanted at least a couple of inches clearance between the bottom of the prop's arc of travel and the top surface of my barrel. Then I harkened back to the 1st plastic test barrel (30G) I'd built years earlier and recalled a lesson I'd learned:
Add ~1/2" to whatever number I'd calculated to adequately accommodate short shaft engines. <-- The reason for this comes later.

6. Having arrived at my magic number, I then set about to plan the single overall sawzall cut. Enter: more compound curves to mark and to plan for. See pic #2

7. The evil mounting bracket = MORE &#%@* compound curves! :mad: Unlike the steel barrels, the plastic barrels have curved sidewalls. <-- You gotta take that into account when cutting the two 2X6's that mount to the barrel's interior sidewalls. Plain 90 degree cuts of the curves just won't do. Upon assembly & lag bolt tightening, stuff will warp and your patience will break. So cut the curves on enough of a diagonal (maybe 3 - 4 degrees?) so that when you manually hold them in place in turn, they fit snugly to the sidewall and REMAIN... flat & level crosswise! One more thing: one of these two 2X6's will be slightly wider than the other because it's gonna hafta fit a larger diameter circle since it'll mount about 2 - 2-1/2" deeper into the barrel. Remember that the the transom at the back of the boat isn't straight up-and-down. It's sloped. You'll want to nearly precisely match that slope when it comes time to mount the 2X8 the engine's transom clamp is gonna clamp onto. See pic#3 for the two 2X6's

8. Mounting hardware: I learned the hard way to avoid the use of cheap galvanized 1/4" lag bolts. <-- That goes for 5/16" versions too!
You want this beast to last, right? Then spend a buck. Go with stainless or even grade 3 or grade 5 hardened stuff. The 3 and 5 is stronger than the stainless. And still won't rust much [in fresh water]. It's a good idea to have either some BIG C-clamps or at least 18" woodworker's gluing clamps on hand for pilot hole and clearance hole drilling. After carefully calculating and marking where each and every hole in the barrel is to be drilled (center-to-center & evenly spaced!), locate the 2X6's where you want 'em and clamp them firmly in place. BTW, that bottom 2X6 should be the first to be drilled for because......... you'll probably gonna hafta do some jury-rigging because none of your clamps is gonna have a deep enough throat. I ended up using grade 3 1/4" X 2-1/2" near the outside edges of the 2X6's and 3" versions nearer the the center of the 2X6's. <-- I wanted maximum wood depth 'bite'. Hardware also included 2X stainless flats, and 2X stainless locks to help insure snugness even as the wood dried and shrank over time. Can't use lags to attach the 2X8 to the 2X6's because the heads and washers will protrude too far and interfere with the transom clamp smoothly sliding down onto the 2X8... UNLESS........ you wanna use a spade or Forstner bit to counterbore into the rear surface of the 2X8 to allow the lag bolt head and the flat under it to lie below the rear surface. And remember, you're going to want to drill STRAIGHT into the center of the wood so it'd be best to use a drill press for the Spade bit/Forstner bit work. The order for drilling the barrel is: clearance hole 1st, all the way to the proper depth into the center of the 2X6's, followed by clearance holes all the way through the barrel and just part way into the 2X6's. If you're unsure about the proper approach to sizing pilot and clearance holed, do an online search and find explanations with illustrations that make the concept clear to you. I chose the K.I.S.S. approach: I used size 10 (I think - larger diameter is better than smaller), hardened round head deck screws with Torx drive and added stainless flats slightly larger in OD than the the OD of the screw head - knowing that with the Torx head I coule drive the washer and screw head down into the wood far enough for it to finish up with a flush surface for the engine's transom clamp to slide down onto. See pic #5.

Selecting the wood. You're going to all this trubble, so don't be a pootiehead and cheap out with this important issue. Go with pressure-treated. Period. As clear as you can get it. No knots if they can be avoided. CERTAINLY no knots on top of bottom corner/edges, and you're a regular bonehead if you locate a knot where a lagbolt or deck screw is gonna be located. Knot material provides a sub-standard screw thread anchor material, plus knots eventually dry out: *POP* Out comes your fastener! <-- Don' DO dat!
If you can *NOT* lay yer mits on suitably clear source of pressure-treated and you're reduced to settling for something with the beginning of a split, DON'T PANIC! Gitcherself some 1/8" thick angle iron, say 1" X 1". Cut it to two equal lengths with an eye toward each length just slightly shorter than the top-to-bottom dimension of your 2X8. Use a jointer, router, table saw, circular saw or even a chisel, and create a channel on each rear face of your 2X8, running up-and-down, so your split-stopping bolsters can be flush-mounted - again... to the REAR surface of your 2X8. THINK... about what kind of hardware you're gonna use to secure those lengths of angle iron. I chose 1/4" flat head 1/4-20's and countersunk (<-- NOT the same thing as "counter bored"!) to rear-facing surfaces of the angle iron. I used 2 bolts - 1 top and 1 bottom at each end. Flats and elastic stop nuts on the front surface of the 2X8 finished the job of bolstering against a potentially widening split.

One more word about PLANNING on where to locate all the mounting hardware: Fasteners coming toward each other from opposite directions CAN (and DO) run into each other.

When it gets daylight out I'll take a couple of pics of my test barrel and post 'em here.

Have fun!

Pic #1

Pic #2

Pic #3

Pic #4

Pic #5

My test tank pic#1 <-- Lotsa compound curves. I messed up and failed to leave that 2" wide arc of the top attached to my splash guard. Afterthoughts R' Us! My lagbolt mounting pattern shows up, as does that "Magic" lip that makes for the small parts and hand tool tray. You can see 1 of the "floppy" OMC & Chrysler type transom clamp handles. That brass-looking thingy is the barrel's new drain stopper. I should mention a drawback this kind of stopper presents: With use, the oil that gets in the water will eventually cause the rubber to swell up, rendering it near impossible to remove without either breaking it or unscrewing so you can push the rubber part INSIDE the tank - where it and the brass washer and brass nut are all gonna get all icky from the inevitable oil sludge..

My test tank pic #2 <-- Here's a better shot of the brass stopper and some small parts sitting on that "Magic", semi-spill-proof shelf. I fergot a li'll detail: I never got around to adding a pair of raised lips onto the REAR of the shelf. The blanket's there to help contain the heat from a heat gun since I have someone responding to my Craigslist ad today. It'll start 1st or 2nd pull in civilized weather, but right now it's only been a few degrees above freezing.

My test tank pic #3 <-- The drain hole and it's new brass plug. After the weather turns decent I intend to get rid of that brass plug and install a durable ball valve.

My test tank pic #4 <-- Does not have the spacing I now recommend between the top & bottom 2X6's. This one has more fore & aft wiggle than I want, especially when I'm cranking a larger or tighter engine.

Whale tails are your enemy... when it comes to this kind of test tank. Remove it before or cuss yer brains out later.You're going to find it difficult enough already to manipulate the lower unit (orienting it left-right) to persuade it to drop straight down far enough to rotate the lower unit 90 degrees so it's pretty well centered in the barrel. Also, BEFORE you whip that outboard up to drop it into the tank, take the time to ENSURE:

1. That both clamping screws have clean and lubricted threads so you can easily run 'em all the way in and all the way out. You'll want 'em all the way OUT as you drop the engine down into place.

2. That the tilt lock/release operates smoothly & easily. <-- That goes for any tilt reverse locking rod, whether it has a clevis and is removable out one side or the other, or is a permanently-installed, spring-loaded jobberdoo.

There ya go. Piece o' cake.

Oh! LOOK!

It's beer-thirty! :D
 
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bigb56

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Re: Test Tank

hmmm, sounds like my water heater might work, its over 5 feet tall and I could cut it in such a way that the excess would work for the splash shield. Some photographs of yours would be great.

Thanks, B
 

nwcove

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i personally would shy away from any wot runs in a barrel. as JB stated, you need a much larger tank . powerheads are getting harder to find. jmo
 

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If you want to run a mtr in a small test tank at wot, just find an old prop and cut the tips of the blades off equally. You'll have to do some tuning on it to get it right. OMC and Merc did this for years. Saves buying a test wheel. At the last place I worked I did one for a Yamaha.
 

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If you want to run a mtr in a small test tank at wot, just find an old prop and cut the tips of the blades off equally. You'll have to do some tuning on it to get it right. OMC and Merc did this for years. Saves buying a test wheel. At the last place I worked I did one for a Yamaha.

I've thought about doing this. Are WOT RPM's maintained as you trim the prop fins & do you stop trimming when you no longer get forward thrust?
 

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Stop trimming when you get to almost max rpm for the mtr.
 

HighTrim

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Ill repeat as stated above. Water splashing is not the reason you dont want to WOT run in a small test tank.

If you must crack the throttle, get a test prop, or do as BOOBIE suggested. Just be sure to cut the blades equally, or you could cause damage to the motor.
 

jim j geezer

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Let's draw a few lines of distinction when it comes to running WOT.

1. There's running it long enough to make the adjustments you want to fine tune in - maybe as much as 10-15 minutes, where the barrel's water temp might rise as much as, say 20 degreesF, and...

2. There's running WOT in "test/torture" mode for an hour or more where water temp will certainly rise more, and...

3. We're addressing the testing of a 30HP engine here, not a much larger displacement 235HP outboard that'd have the water up to boiling PDQ.

I've never actually measured it, but I'll guesstimate that my 55G test tank holds ~30G when filled to a good testing level - well above the anti-cavitation plate and somewhere near the point that would approximate 'normal' water level if the same engine were mounted on its parent boat out on the lake. Semi-obscure-rule time! When initially installing your outboard, you want the anti-cavitation plate to (A) align parallel with the bottom 1/2 trailing surface of the hull and (B), just in line with it or no more than 1" below it. Remember that the more lower unit that's in the water, the more drag it presents to the propulsion resource - be it 30HP or 3HP.

What I'm trying to get across is that for the OP who began this thread, it's probably gonna be perfectly safe for him to run his 30HP at WOT long enough to make the fine tuning adjustments he wants to make. While a guy with a 3HP might be able to run a torture test for several hours and not raise the water temp to a dangerous level.

Please keep in mind we're trying to accommodate the sharply-limited budget here. A 500G steel horse trough simply would be out of our reach.

Aside: In case it escaped your attention, I've added pics to my long and rambling post above.
 

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Jim 5 minutes at WOT in a 50G barrel could go real bad real quick without a test prop.

Proper backpressure is not there. For those that have never seen a motor go into runaway I hope you never have to.

Giant air pockets form as well, causing cooling issues. That is not the main issue though.

I would start the motor, ensure it runs. Fine tune on the water. Youll have to do it again anyways.
 

jim j geezer

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I agree that a test prop would be ideal. But I have to acknowledge that it represents a pricey expense - which runs counter to MINIMIZING costs. Borrowing one would be a good option too.

On a related note, I HAVE used a somewhat bent, nicked and battered original prop and cut it down as carefully as I could and spent considerable TIME making certain the damned thing was as round and perfectly balanced as I could get it. And I used the engine's output shaft to spin it on, making sure there was ZERO wobble.

According to what I've read and otherwise learned over the decades, a "runaway" condition has to be either cultivated or just bad luck.
Bad luck would be shearing a pin... AFTER making damned CERTAIN it met or exceeded the engine manufacturer's specs. Bad luck could also be something as outrageous as a neighborhood kid practicing throwing his brand new hardened steel throwing knife in the opposite direction of the test stand while the engine's running at WOT, only his wild throw lands short, deflects, ricochets up and back toward the thrower, over his head and *plop* into your test tank, where it promptly sinks and jams the prop, shearing the pin.

"Cultivating" for a disaster might include using the wrong size prop - either too large or too small in diameter, just because it happened to fit on the output shaft.
 
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I agree, Ive ran my outboard in a 50 with a hose refilling it, needless to say the hose could not keep up. However I did manage to use a plastic garbage pail and I cut out a notch in the lid to slide around my lower housing. That allowed me to keep most of the water in the barrel while I was testing repairs.
 

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According to what I've read and otherwise learned over the decades, a "runaway" condition has to be either cultivated or just bad luck.
Bad luck could also be something as outrageous as a neighborhood kid practicing throwing his brand new hardened steel throwing knife in the opposite direction of the test stand while the engine's running at WOT, only his wild throw lands short, deflects, ricochets up and back toward the thrower, over his head and *plop* into your test tank, where it promptly sinks and jams the prop, shearing the pin.

^^^ ive had that happen to me on several occasions, but the motor didnt runaway.....i did. :fear:
 

HighTrim

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Thermal runaway does not need a sheared pin to occur. Having that happed while revving it would likely accelerate it though.

It occurs due to hot carbon buildup. It ignites the incoming fuel/air mixure. There is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it. Turning the key off will do zilch. Nor will pulling the fuel line as the fuel remaining in the carb bowl will last long enough to have the motor throw a rod self destructing the motor. The best thing you can do is cover the carb throat, or stuff something into it to choke it.

Ill tell you a little story. My neighbour up north at the lake used to rev the stuffing out of his motor both on the muffs and in a small garbage can. I warned him for months not to do it. He laughed as all was well for most of the year. Then one afternoon he was adjusting at WOT in the barrel when away she went. He panicked and didnt know what to do. I ran over and stuffed a rag in the throat of the carb to choke it, which killed it. Not before the rod punched a hole in the block. At least it did not let loose. A piston/rod at that speed would go straight through your skull.

He doesnt do that anymore.
 

jim j geezer

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nwcove?

Sometimes, I betcha, you tell fish stories too. :D

Unrelated entirely: Back when I was a single-digit-aged kid, I'd get out of school and go to my Grandpa's Shoe Repair Shop, where I'd do chores and stuff. Between chores, I'd read Tom McCahill type columns in Grandpa's stash of Popular Mechanics, Popular Science, Field & Stream, Sports Afield and suchlike. One year, in ONE of those sporting magazines, they published the results of the top 3 (as I recall) winners of "The Liar's Club" for fishing. The winner was a doozy and is forever lodged in my brain. I'll have to paraphrase, but here's the gist of it:

A girl in a family of 4 made up of Father, Mother, Daughter (<--the story-teller) and son - younger brother to the Daughter, set off in the dead of winter to go ice fishing up north in Canadia. Needless to say it got cold. The daughter had a curious streak and was dilligent about studying her schoolwork, which happened to include some mathy stuff. The girl wanted to know HOW cold it got and HOW FAST it got that way. So she did all her necessary homework and gathered together all the germain data she'd need in order to conduct a bullet-proof scientific experiment to reveal the answers to her.

1. altitude above sea level - at THAT time of year.
2. wind speed
3. predominant wind direction
4. the boiling point (F) of water in those conditions
5. the TIME it would take to freeze 1 Qt of boiling water in those precise conditions.

The girl conducted her test, rigidly adhering to "the scientific method" as she'd been taught in school.

Her prize-winning conclusion?


*drumroll*

"The water froze so fast the water was still warm."
 
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