Testing temperature switch's on a Johnson 175 fast strike?

trxxx250r

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1995 175 fast strike/Stratos 19ft.

Bought the boat 2 weeks ago and I'm a noob to boats -

I wasn't getting any horn when grounding the temp sensors as people here have suggested I should, so, I was wondering wether it was my sensors or possibly the wiring. So, I pulled the sensors and did a test in the kitchen. First I tested the port sensor (#0584152) and I know it has two wires, the white one for the fast start and the other presumably for a high temp alarm or shutdown. I figured the fast start temp range would be low and sure enough I got continuity with my multi-meter at about 120* under the sink using a digital thermometer. Then I went to the stove and used boiling water to test the brown wire figuring it was the overheat and needed more temp. However, I couldn't get continuity at full boil. So, I put it flat down on the glass top stove on low, my thermo sensed about 240* and still nothing.

Then, I took the starboard sensor (#0584589) which is thin and flat and put it flat on the stove, after a few seconds, sure enough I would here a click and it had continuity. That switch is obviosly a simple bimetal swith and it was snapping on around 220*.

My question is: is the port sensor a different type of sensor like a "thermistor" for BOTH low temp and high temp for the fast idle and the "overheat" safty alarm? and, if so, why did it give me continuity on the low temp (white wire) but never on the high temp (brown wire) even though I probably got it up to 240*?

Maybe it's in the ignition to be processed with resistance on the port sensor and simply open closed on the other (starboard)... I don't know. I'm hoping one of the more learned people here can shed some light on this.

If my sensor's bad then so beit but I don't want to buy a new one for no reason as they aren't cheap!

Again, grounding out these sensors has absolutely no effect on alarms or horns. However, when I turn the key on a little horn sounds once. Self test I guess.

Also, when I reinstall these sensors should I use some heat sink grease at the head of them? Makes sense as they rely on heat transfer to work and I would certainly like to know if the engine is overheating sooner than later!

Thanks!
 
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Silvertip

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Re: Testing temperature switch's on a Johnson 175 fast strike?

You don't ground the sensor. You ground the wire the sensor is connected to. In other words disconnect the sensor wire from the alarm circuitry. Now ground the alarm side of the system, not the sensor side. The ignition must be in the RUN position of course. This eliminates the sensors as the source of the no alarm condition. The horn system needs +12 volts as well so verify that.
 

trxxx250r

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Re: Testing temperature switch's on a Johnson 175 fast strike?

Wow, now that I think about it, that is exactly what I did wrong. How stupid of me to make such and obvious mistake. I did ground the white wire of the port sensor (because the male end of the bullet sensor going to the harness is right near a head bolt to ground too) while the motor was running to check and see if it would effect the idle from fast start.

Anyway, thanks for pointing out my stupidity on this, Silvertip!

Btw - On this motor I adjust the idle by changing positions in that notched clip at the top of the motor coming off the timing arm? It says High & Low on it.
 

trxxx250r

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Re: Testing temperature switch's on a Johnson 175 fast strike?

I re-installed the sensors and before I connected them I grounded the brown leads from the harness on both sides and still no alarm so I don't know.

I took the boat out today for the first time and it ran great!!! That motor is strong! Blasted out of the hole and was up to 50-60 mph in seconds. I'm stoked! Allot of little things to work on now but I know the boat and motor are sound.
 

boobie

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Re: Testing temperature switch's on a Johnson 175 fast strike?

You better find out why when grounding the wires going to the sensors don't blow the horn. Or you could have big probs if the mtr overheats.
 
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trxxx250r

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Re: Testing temperature switch's on a Johnson 175 fast strike?

You better find out why when grounding the wires going to the sensors don't blow the horn. Or you could have big probs if the mtr overheats.

I definitely intend to, I'm just taking it one step at a time, so many things to do with this boat. We kept a close eye on the motor temp yesterday with a heat gun and pee temp. also kept an eye on the water pressure which held up nice (10 at idle and 30 at half throttle). Allot of wiring so it's gonna be a challenge for a rookie like me.
 
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MaPaHa

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Re: Testing temperature switch's on a Johnson 175 fast strike?

I replaced a faulty temp sensor on the starboard side of my '78 Evinrude 140 a couple of weeks ago because the alarm was going nuts. Since this first started sounding the alarm, I have replaced the water pump and both thermostats. At two or more times, I have checked the water temp running down the lake using long temp sensor leads for my meter in the 90 degree hose at the bottom of the head before it went into the thermostats and both sides were 125-145 depending on load, speed and waterflow. I also attached the long temp leads to each head and got the same temps running down the lake. I found a factory replacement sensor but before I installed it I wanted to see it trip so I did the same thing and put it into a pan of water and slowly raised the temperature until it boiled at a little under 212 degrees. The new sensor never tripped. I'm reasonably sure the new sensor is good and I figure the setting is above this point. After all, the sensor is fairly deep in the head and is likely set at a higher temp than you would think. It was a brand new factory sensor and it solved the alarm problem so I put the lid on it.
 

trxxx250r

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Re: Testing temperature switch's on a Johnson 175 fast strike?

Yeah, my starboard sensor wouldn't trip in water so I placed it face down on a glass top stove on low, it tripped around 240 according to my thermometer.

Anyway, that's not my problem. The problem is, the horn ISN'T "going nuts". I grounded the leads from the harnes that go to the sensors and nothing. So....
 
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