This has gone about far enough!

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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Officials at Minneapolis-St. Paul International airport are proposing stiffer penalties - including suspension of an airport taxi license - to Muslim cab drivers who refuse service to passengers toting alcohol or service dogs.

Officials on Wednesday asked the Metropolitan Airport Commission for permission to hold public hearings on a proposal that would suspend the airport licenses of cab drivers who refuse service for reasons other than safety concerns. The penalties would also apply to drivers who refuse a fare because a trip is too short.

Drivers would have their airport licenses suspended 30 days for the first offense and revoked for two years after the second offense, according to the proposal.

"Our expectation is that if you're going to be driving a taxi at the airport, you need to provide service to anybody who wants it," commission spokesman Patrick Hogan said.

The commission is expected to vote Jan. 16 on the request for public hearings.

Airports Commissioner Bert McKasy said the issue raised by Muslim cab drivers who say that carrying alcohol or dogs, including those that help people with disabilities, violates religious beliefs is "unfortunate."

"I think it's pretty much the consensus of the commissioners and the staff that we have to provide good service to the public, and that's pretty much the bottom line," McKasy said.

Each month, about 100 people are denied cab service at the airport. Airport officials say that in recent months, the problem of service refusals for religious reasons has grown. About three-quarters of the 900 taxi drivers at the airport are Somali, many of them Muslim.

Hogan said the goal is to have a new policy in place by May 11, when airport taxi licenses come up for annual renewal.

"We want the drivers to know about the policy in advance, so that if they don't think they can work under these conditions, they have the option of not renewing their license," Hogan said.

Last year, the airports commission received a fatwa, or religious edict, from the Minnesota chapter of the Muslim American Society. The fatwa said "Islamic jurisprudence" prohibits taxi drivers from carrying passengers with alcohol, "because it involves cooperating in sin according to Islam."


Remember, this the fastest growing religion in the US...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070104/D8MEJEU00.html
 

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Last year, the airports commission received a fatwa, or religious edict, from the Minnesota chapter of the Muslim American Society.

And the rag heads wonder why they get profiled! :^
 

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I don’t know what there problem is; about every convenience store around here is operated/owned by Muslim immigrants, they would not be in business if they didn’t sell booze and cigarettes
 

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"About three-quarters of the 900 taxi drivers at the airport are Somali" I don't think I can count high enough to list how many "groups" are underrepresented. Where's affirmative action when we need it?

And what happens when a Government entity allows or disallows a form of religious expression? This could get harrier than gay sheep . . . :%
 

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treedancer said:
I don’t know what there problem is; about every convenience store around here is operated/owned by Muslim immigrants, they would not be in business if they didn’t sell booze and cigarettes

I guess it depends on if you are fanatical about your religion. The ones that assimilate I have no problem with, the fanatics I do. :devil:
 

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I am happy they are taking this hardline position because this is where the slippery slope starts..

What is interesting is that they reference the Somalis, when in reality they are not the muslims making the issue. It is the Pakastani or arab ones, as well as the lobby groups making the issue. The Somalis have been in the local news saying they are not the ones raising the fuss.
 

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And what happens when a Government entity allows or disallows a form of religious expression? This could get harrier than gay sheep . . .

QED QC, if the taxi drivers don't supply the service the license "DEMANDS", the license can be pulled... nothing "hairy" about that, just stipulations on licensing requirements... runs all thru our Judicial system.
 

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It was a yoke crunch, everybody knows gay sheep are wooly . . .
 

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You're preaching to the choir, every Oregon man knows that.... :p

It really isn’t “the man on the street” that causes these issues, it’s the “religious interpretations” of the Imams and other religious figures that cause these problems, My point was that the Islamic faith, as interpreted now, enlists the dis-enfranchise, the lowest segments of any society to rebel against what they perceive as the cause of their plight... that is the root.

Jessy Jackson and Al Sharpton are proud.... Bill Cosby doesn’t sleep as well as he could.
 

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I am a Christian. It is against my religion to commit murder. Therefore I do not make my living doing so. In fact every facet of my profession is to do everything prudent to avoid a customer's death. If the job cannot be accomplished without violating my religious beliefs, I have to find one that can. Simple as that. The rights of the Employee isn't the question. The rights of the Patron is. The employer has a duty to provide a reasonable service. If the employee is unwilling to adhere to that, the employer is obliged to let that employee go and the employee is obliged to quit. Not every job fits every employee and not every employee fits every job. We've all heard about playing the Race card. Now we're hearing about playing the Religion card. Neither deserve dominant consideration in legal matters. Same applies to Pharmacists that refuse to fill birth control prescriptions.

I realize that my point is aside of the issuing of citations, but ultimately it's going to come down to the job vs rights issue. All I can say is, if it's against your religion to eat meat and you decide to work at McDonalds, don't come crying to me.

( How Conservative of me. ;) )
 

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What, we don't have freedom of religion anymore? or is it only for religions we approve of?

They can choose: carry the passenger or give up the license.

[btw treedancer, how do you know the liquor store owners are muslim, you go to the same mosque or something? and how many different "denominations" of Islam are there? are they all alike?]

Curmudgeon said:
And the rag heads wonder why they get profiled! :^

I strongly object to the use of racial slurs. You should know better.

and you think they're being profiled because they don't drink alcohol?
 

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What ever happened to:
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?
 

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Haut said:
What ever happened to:
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?

Taxicabs operate at airports under a type of concessionaire contract type of thing - they've contractually waived that particular right.
 

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Quote jtexas

[btw treedancer, how do you know the liquor store owners are muslim, you go to the same mosque or something? and how many different "denominations" of Islam are there? are they all alike?]


Because the station where I get my gas /diesel fuel has a convenience store with a coffee shop attached to it .The coffee shop is run by a man and his family that immigrated to America from izmir, Turkey,he is a Sunni ,we have some rather long-winded conservation at times.

He imports some of the best coffee I have tasted, and I have been to coffee shops all over the country .I believe that he called it Arabica bean, I hope that is the proper spelling. One time he boiled the whole seeds with the coffee, he seems to think that is the only way that coffee should be drink, I strongly disagree.

O by the way he and his family have been here legally fifteen years. There are two main denominations of Islam in Turkey the Shia, and Sunni, the Sunni are in the majority, the Kurds are in the Sunni camp.
 

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sorry tree I misunderestimated ya
 

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Hey, if religious pharmacists can deny birth control, why can't muslim taxicab drivers deny service?

Hey, I think the whole thing is crap and they both should just do their freakin' jobs and leave their personal lives at home, but I smell a double standard coming on here. Apparantly it is okay for "approved" religion to intervene in service oriented jobs, but not "unapproved" religion. Religion is a personal thing, keep it personal, and leave it out of the work place...
 

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JasonJ said:
Hey, if religious pharmacists can deny birth control, why can't muslim taxicab drivers deny service?

Hey, I think the whole thing is crap and they both should just do their freakin' jobs and leave their personal lives at home, but I smell a double standard coming on here. Apparantly it is okay for "approved" religion to intervene in service oriented jobs, but not "unapproved" religion. Religion is a personal thing, keep it personal, and leave it out of the work place...

Hey Jason, please read the last few posts on the Merc forum under "Question of Virginity" Thanks Jim R
 

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Jason I couldn't agree more......
Religious fanaticism is evil-
No matter what religion it represents......JK
 

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JasonJ said:
Hey, if religious pharmacists can deny birth control, why can't muslim taxicab drivers deny service?

Hey, I think the whole thing is crap and they both should just do their freakin' jobs and leave their personal lives at home, but I smell a double standard coming on here. Apparantly it is okay for "approved" religion to intervene in service oriented jobs, but not "unapproved" religion. Religion is a personal thing, keep it personal, and leave it out of the work place...

Concerning your Pharmacist example - the answer lies in who the boss is. If the Pharmacist owns his own store, or has permission from his boss to do so, then it is fine. If he is not working for himself, or his boss does not agree, then he has a choice -

1) stick to his moral compass and quit
2) Say, "Gee, I don't agree with this, but my job is more important than the principle, so I will work and do my job as described."


And as far as leaving my religion out of the work place, that is something that I could never do. You see, my religion, as you call it (I call it my faith) dictates the way I should live and encourages me to share it with others. I do that through example, and when I feel it is appropriate, through words. I try my hardest to keep it "directly" out of here, but when you continually bring it up, I have no choice.
 
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