Throttle Body Injector Shutdown

itsmike

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Hi!

I've got a 1999 volvopenta 4.3 gi. Rust in the fuel filter packed up the fuel system so ended up with a new high pressure fuel pump, low pressure fuel pump, cleaned out the vacuum canister, cleaned out the fuel lines, cleaned out the throttle body, replaced the pressure regulator in the throttle body and replaced both injectors.

There are no diagnostic error codes (other than the code indicating that the code reader is attached to the engine).

The fuel pressure is about 7 pounds at the low pressure schrader valve and 28 pounds at the high pressure schrader valve.

The engine starts and runs fine until I exceed 3000 rpm. One of the injectors shuts off instead of increasing fuel amounts. The engine stalls and quits.

Switching the injector wires from one injector to the other changes which side the shutdown occurs on.

Continuity checks indicate no broken wiring.

If this were carbureted, I would look for a dead WOT supressor on the distributor lead, so I went ahead and changed out the ignition contol module.

The new ICM added power, but didn't change the injector behavior.

I've checked the idle valve, map sensor, throttle position sensor, oil pressure sensor and temperature sensor. All are in spec with the SELOC manual. Disconnecting any of them results in an appropriate DST which I clear from the PCM.

I'm about to change the PCM, but before I pop for a new computer I thought I would ask if anybody else has experienced this problem.

Thanks for your help
itsmike
 

itsmike

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I've been using a codemate. Get code 12 when switched to diagnostic mode (indicates code reader attached). There are no codes when in monitor mode (operating the engine with the code reader attached and switched to monitor mode). I've used both monitoring mode and no reader attached after clearing all codes but the fuel problem persists.

Are there any mechanical connections (other than oil pressure) that might cause this? I can't find wiring to the stern drive (like tilt or torque) that would cause the pcm to instantiate guardian mode. There are no codes or errors being flashed by the reader during engine operation, so I'm not getting any feedback from the pcm on why it's doing this. My best guess is a bad transistor in the pcm, (overheating at WOT) but that's a guess.

Is there a particular procedure for switching out of guardian mode? With the ignition switched on (motor off), switching between neutral and full throttle three times, turning the ignition off and waiting five seconds has consistently cleared all DTC's from the PCM. I'll search guardian mode, but would really appreciate any additional information.

Thanks
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itsmike

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I've walked the troubleshooting tree three times and the wiring and switches all seem ok.

I end up with replace the pcm (ecm) or "Check for RPM Reduction Mode". Since I can get to 3000 rpm (vs. gm posting of 2000) I'm confused.

How does a GM Pulse Code Modulator (ecm) physically reduce rpm? Does it shut down one injector, both injectors, or simply reduce fuel quantity in one or both? Shutting down a single injector usually results in backfire so it seems dangerous.

When I put an O-Scope on the leads, I'm getting signal so I assume that they're opening secondary taps to ground effectively supressing the power while still sending out signal. Seems excessively complex, but would explain why off/on or proportional switching can affect the pcm.

Thanks
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Tail_Gunner

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Post the model number's on you ecm its time to find out which version of mefi you have. Reduction mode works by shutting off one injector..i
 

itsmike

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Model number is DELCO 16220371 (MEFI-1).

This is a 1998 Controller so common wire (rail) for all sensor inputs with individual wires to pulse each injector. (Common ground power modification).
 

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Model number is DELCO 16220371 (MEFI-1).

This is a 1998 Controller so common wire (rail) for all sensor inputs with individual wires to pulse each injector. (Common ground power modification). Volvo Penta 3857324.

The engine number is 43FBPBYC or a 1998 OMC engine.

See attachment for serial number.
 
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itsmike

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ECM_Model.jpeg ECM_Part.jpeg Sorry, this might be more specific
 

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bruceb58

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I wonder if you are going into SLOW mode. I am not certain but I believe SLOW mode turns off the injection when it goes into it.
 

Tail_Gunner

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Yes it does drop a injector when one of the sensors are out of range..i doubt that you have a bad ecu actually its just a eprom they generally work or fail. The good news...its very basic i believe mefi 1 has 4-5 sensors the link i posted below is a complete overview of mefi and 555 it should help you. When you checked your fuel rail did you take a read under a load or just idle that tbi is really old....grounds are also suspect what might work at idle may not contact at higher rpm level's

http://river-service.ru/uploads/pdf/...MPI__alb_3.pdf
 
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bruceb58

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Tail Gunner, you realize he has a Volvo and not a Mercruiser right?
 
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