Throttle/Gear issues?

Dgoods4u

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85 Force - I just rebuilt/cleaned all three carbs and it now starts and idles nicely. I have a new issue now. When I put the motor in reverse it works fine. When I put the motor in forward gear it has very little power and if I give it more throttle it will die and then I lose complete power of everything for a couple minutes (as though a self resetting fuse/circuit breaker has tripped). I didn't have this issue before the carb issue. Any idea what this could be?
 

jerryjerry05

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You have this question double posted.
Makes it confusing ????

The exhaust snout missing?
 

Dgoods4u

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Yes I did, sorry for the confusion. No, I didn't touch the exhaust snout. The only thing I did was work on the carbs and adjusted the throttle cam. I doubt this matters but, I did remove a wire that went from the solenoid to the ignition (connection on the wire bar) when repairing the tilt/trim system because I could tell it was an add-on and didn't seem necessary. Oh, and I removed the whale tail. Do you think it has something to do with the lower unit?
 
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jerryjerry05

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If you didn't have this problem before you cleaned the carbs?
Then something's gone bad in something you did?

Try running with the cover off?
 

Dgoods4u

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The problem I had before cleaning the carbs was that it wouldn't start/struggled to start and I couldn't get over 25 mph. I have been running it with the cover off, it doesn't make a difference.
 

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Double check or better yet post a pic of the wire you removed from the starter solenoid to the terminal bar. Most likely, this has something to do with a ckt bkr tripping and resetting. My thoughts is that when you go forward and increase rpm, the stator starts to charge and something is short circuiting the charging current causing the stator to lose power to the CD coils.

There are two separate circuits in the stator, but since both are laid on the same core or frame, a short circuit on one will affect the other. To confirm this, try going in reverse and increase rpm, the results should be the same, i.e. engine dies and loose power to all components until the ckt breaker resets.

The charging system doesn't start to generate enough electricity until around 2000~2500 RPM.

The other thing you can do to isolate the problem is to disconnect the two yellow wires from the stator going to the rectifier. Make sure you tape them off. Then do a test run again and see if the problem goes away.
 

Dgoods4u

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Compression and spark tests are good. Now this sounds like you could be on to something. It was just a 16 gauge wire that went from the solenoid terminal that has the yellow wire (the wire that goes to some kind of switch that temporarily stalls the motor between shifting from reverse to forward (visa versa)...and then goes into the ignition on the terminal board. Yellow to Yellow Black. Sounds like someone did this as a bandaid. Do I have a bad/incorrect part? I should also mention that this solenoid doesn't seem to be the right kind for this motor because the bolts don't allign with their designated mounts.
 

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Jiggz

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What year is this 85 HP? That solenoid is not the OEM one. That is a regular auto solenoid, which should still work unless they wired it incorrectly. Need to see the wiring diagram so you can double check connections. I need the year though.
 

jerryjerry05

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That looks like a Ford solenoid.
It should work but looks like it's wired wrong??

The black lead looks like it's looped back and grounded to itself??
It should be grounded to the block somehow.

How about a pic without fingers in the way?
 

Nordin

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Looks like an solenoid from older Chrysler.
I have this typ of solenoid at some of my early 70es 45, 55, 70 and 75Hp.
It has a mounting bracket/plate with two holes and the black wire used to be attached to one of the mounting screws to get ground connection.
 

The Force power

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Yup, it's a run of the mill "slave-relay" used in a wide variety of applications from hydraulic-pumps to electric heat-strips etc.
very dependable thing for high amp-draw
 
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