Tie-down ventilated disc brake review

vzett

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Thought I'd give everyone an update on my trailer brake project.<br /><br />I decided to go with the tie-down ventilated disc brakes. As my existing coupler and brake lines were also shot, I also installed a tie-down disc ready coupler w/reverse lockout soleniod and new flexible brake line.<br /><br /> Installation was pretty easy. <br /> - remove the old coupler<br /> - install the new coupler and reverse lockout<br /> - wire the lock-out into a hiring harness compatible with your truck. I used a 7-pole RV to match the truck and pig-tailed a 4-pole in case I needed to tow with a different vehicle.<br /> - remove the old hubs and drums<br /> - install the actuator brackets on the 4-hole brake mounts<br /> - install the new hubs (just like a normal hub)<br /> - install the brake actuators*<br /> - attach brake lines from coupler to each actuator<br /> - fill brake resevoir<br /> - prime coupler "shock" system by pumping coupler 3-4 times full travel**<br /> - bleed***<br /><br />* I found that on one wheel, I needed to loosen the mounting plate after everything was installed and drift the position a bit to get free travel for the wheel. Better to check while everything is on jacks - rather than risk an overheat and blowout.<br /><br />** This was almost the most difficult part of installation as it takes a bit of force to do this by hand and I was reluctant to use the truck.<br /><br />*** This was fairly easy. The instructions suggest using an automotive pressure bleeder. I followed the old pump and squirt system. Each actuator has 2 bleed valves, but you only need to use the "highest" one to allow for differences in installation angles. The tie-down coupler has a handy bleeding system which allows one to actuate the master cylinder with a flat-blade screw driver.<br /><br />A few notes on the coupler<br />Besides the handy bleed system, the tie-down coupler has a couple other nice features. <br />- Grease fittings for the retaining posts which lube the joint between the coupler and outer sleeve<br />- A secondary retention ball retention pin which mounts behend and below the hitch ball, backing up the standard coupler lock on top. The retention pin also doubles as a manual brake lock-out when needing to reverse with a truck that doesn't have the proper connector for the electric soleniod. <br />- Coated cable for the emergency brake actuator<br /><br />Driving Report<br />I've put about 350 miles on the trailer now over the last 6 weeks including a 260 mile round trip pull to Apalachicola. <br />- Braking action seems well matched to the truck and although I can feel the "weight" of the trailer while stopping, I don't feel that the truck is being pushed. We had to make a fairly hard stop from 45mph coming back from Apalachicola after getting cut-off at a stop light. Felt like a quick stop with just the truck. <br />- I've tried to spray off the brakes with fresh water during my post boating clean-up. I've had the brakes "dunked" about 7 times now and no signs of rust on the discs. <br />- I haven't noticed much loss in braking after a dunk. It doesn't seem to take much braking to dry the discs (which stands to reason since car brakes opperate in wet conditions also) - besides, most ramps I've seen require a few stops prior to getting on a highway which gives ample opportunity to heat up the discs a bit to clear the water which isn't spun off.<br />- Heating of the hub, rim, and tires hasn't been a problem so far. Heat accumulation is highest around town with stop and go traffic. After a 5 mile pull from the local ramp, the hub cores are warm to the touch ~120 degrees at most comparing them to my exhaust manifolds which run about 145. A few times the rims and tires were also slightly warm - more like 100 or so. Hills probably would cause a similar effect. Heat seems to dissapate quickly at highway speeds. During my long trip, I stopped after 70 total miles on continuous driving with the last 20 being on the highway at 50mph. The hubs, rims, and wheels were cold with no noticeable heating. <br />- Steepest grades were bridges over the ICW, which can get up to 8 degrees or so. Posted speeds were usually 45mph. We found that if you idle-off the gas at the top at 45mph, the trailer brakes and engine resistance were able to hold the truck/boat package at 45mph the entire way down without needing help from the truck brakes. Fairly impressive I thought given the weight and grades involved.<br /><br />I'll try and post periodically as I get more time on the system.<br /><br />Parts and Cost<br />From easternmarine.com<br />Tie Down Model 66 Disc Actuator - 109.99<br />Tie Down 9.2" Vented Brake Assemby - 119.95ea (2)<br />Tie Down electric reversing disc brake soleniod - 47.95<br />Shipping on above - 39.95<br /> = $437.79<br /><br />From local marine store<br />21' flexible brake line kit with all fitings - $75.00<br />Wesbar plastic bearing buddies (they're clear which gives additional feedback on grease status, I think I might actually be able to remove and reuse them when needed, they don't require a sledge hammer to install, we'll see how they hold up) - $17.00<br /><br />From local auto store<br />7-pole male RV adapter - $8.00<br />Pipe sealer - $4.00<br /><br />4 hours of my labor at $0.00 per hour = 0.00 <br /><br />So about $542.00 for everything which was competitive with fulton electric drum brake (when considering I'd need a brake controller also), perhaps $100 more than surge drums or non-vented discs(I'd still have needed a new coupler), and maybe $100 less than Kodiak SS discs. Given their simplicity, I'm hoping long term maintainance costs run cheaper than drums.
 

Lou C

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Re: Tie-down ventilated disc brake review

Good to hear they work well. I used their Galvax drums on my trailer with the model 66 actuator and am happy with the performance. The cost for the vented discs is not much more than for the drums. Only reason I did not go with the discs is that there are many steep hills here and the folks at Champion trailers recommended the drums for that reason. I like the easy to use brake lock out on the actuator, that way if you had to use a truck with only a 4 prong wiring connector, you could still back it up!!
 

gsmith3286

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Re: Tie-down ventilated disc brake review

Hi, I just installed new tie down rotor and pad assembly (vented disc brakes). After bleeding, I noticed the pads feel very tight against the rotor....is that normal? They're supposed to be self-adjusting....

Also, on bleeding...I used the manual pump method with the screw-driver...I noticed that the tubing would not stay full. I didn't see any bubbling, but the tubing itself had pockets of air....how many times do you have to pump the brakes? just til it runs clear?

Thanks,
 
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