Tilt motor

[TMALEGA]

Ok so here is the pic of my tilt motor i have been trying to post, my question is that it is a pic of what says manual bleed and i cant figure out how to use it. The part that has the writing above it is the small circle at the bottom of the pump there is a snap ring in front of it. Thanks for any advice. View attachment 94505

 

[jerryjerry05]

Re: Tilt motor

Everytime I have touched one of the manual bleeds I have ended up replacing the motor/pump.
What's the problem?If it's not tilting up it's the pump.If it's drifting down it's probably the pump.
Get a Force manual,not Clymer/Seloc and it has the test procedures in it.J

 

[RRitt]

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prestolite used the same casting for many different pumps. That is where the manual release would be if your pump had one. But you don't have a manual release. Chrysler Force only installed manual release with the single ram tilt systems. The single ram tilt systems were for getting on and off trailers and did not work with running engines.

 

[TMALEGA]

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No the problem isnt a drift down for what i was looking at that for. The people who "fixed" my tilt motor have done the poorest job fixing anything i have ever seen, and i am a auto tech. Lol says something about the people i work with? Anyways i went out the other day and it stopped working again. Had to loosen the line to get the motor up and on the transom saver. Thought i could use that to keep from dumping fluid on the grass at the lake instead of the ramp. Anyways if i jiggle the wires at the grommet then the pump will work until it gets jiggled again. They put the wires coing out at 180 * from factory and told me to not worry about it, but i have had more wiring issues now then i have ever had with anything. To fix it for free again they want the whole pump valve body and resivoir off the boat since that was how i took it to them at the start of all this. All i want at this point is a refund and i will take it to someone else to get it fixed. I was even told to pm you rritt but i tried and it said you couldnt accept pms. Was told you could fix this issue for me and i most likely wouldnt have the same problem again. If you could pm me about it would be much appreciated. Thanks again.

 

[RRitt]

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hot wire the motor. if it doesn't run right then it probably has rust inside. if it does run right then it is a connection or switch.

if rust -
take it completely apart including drilling out the two screws that hold in field windings. bead blast the metal frame and winding shoes. dip in ospho, prime, and paint.

remove old tape and wash windings in tsp or water based parts wash. allow to dry and retape using self-sealing cloth electrical tape. if you can cut new fishpaper great. if not carefull wash and dry old and the re-use.

polish armature shaft. if it shows pitting around upper or lower bearing then buy one of the shaft shims. They are an ultra-thin sheath of stainless that goes over existing shaft. I suspect grainer will have them. or abandon motor and buy a new one. or buy a new armature. or build a noisy motor that won't last as long.

if you had rust then get a new brush cap. they cost about $35 form marine power services. they come with brushes and springs. They come with washers too, but the washers are plain steel and prone to rust.

replace the 011 oring in the top af oil reservoir

replace the wire with #12 sjeoo electrical cable and the fitting with an appleton cord grip.

get a pair of 10-32 x 4.5" SS pan head screws, a pair of #10 bonded aluminum sealing washers, and a pair of gaskets. The Gasket MUST be the right thickness or your motor will not work properly. If you cut your own then use 1/32" neoprene and cork blend rated for both oil and ozone exposure,

and your motor should run like new when you finish

 

[TMALEGA]

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Ok i will look into that if i cant get any satisfaction through them any time in the near future. Like i said i can jiggle the wires at the inlet on the motor and it works like a charm, just getting old this is the 4 th issue with them now. Its always a wire issue when they get into it.

 

[RRitt]

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lol. if they fix it more than once then you should take it somewhere else.

 

[TMALEGA]

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Yes i agree however having said that, they wont give me a refund or even do anything for short of "fixing" it again. As of right now that is. After spending the 100 bucks with them i expected it to be right. Since it needed a few new parts as they told me. That is the only reason i have gone back is i spent that money and expected it to be done right and cant get my money back from them.

 

[TMALEGA]

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Ok rritt one more quick question i hope for you, would it be possible to take the two screws off the top loose and then just turn the housing 180 to make the wire line up the way it should? The people here are now telling me i cant have a dime back and that it will take them around 3 weeks to do anything to it now. Also that if i dont want to take the motor off to keep from stripping the valve body out or running the risk then it is going to be 100 bucks a hour. Time to call the bbb i think. And never go back. Also how difficult is it to solder the connections in the cap back on? I can jiggle the wiring harness going into it at the motor and it will work jiggle again and nothing. Thanks for the great advice and help,.

 

[RRitt]

Re: Tilt motor

Ok rritt one more quick question i hope for you, would it be possible to take the two screws off the top loose and then just turn the housing 180 to make the wire line up the way it should? The people here are now telling me i cant have a dime back and that it will take them around 3 weeks to do anything to it now. Also that if i dont want to take the motor off to keep from stripping the valve body out or running the risk then it is going to be 100 bucks a hour. Time to call the bbb i think. And never go back. Also how difficult is it to solder the connections in the cap back on? I can jiggle the wiring harness going into it at the motor and it will work jiggle again and nothing. Thanks for the great advice and help,.

your motor is very difficult to work on. If you don't have experience then it is nearly impossible to get solid connections while still also having short enough wires that they do not interfere with armature. Additionally, if you are not careful then the bridge between field windings will short against ground. It seems obvious to me that these guys aren't very good. I don't know what to say. they could probably work on it for days and still not get it right.

you could buy another motor and keep bugging them until they fix it. I sure wouldn't give them another dime. I'd also make a point of going on internet and giving them a one star e-pinion.

going forward. there is no telling what it will take to fix whatever they have or have no done. It probably still all boils down to rust. once rust gets to the bearing or armature then the motor is almost $200 to fix correctly. If the bearings are clean and there's no rust behind the windings then its not too expensive to fix. A new chinese motor has stronger fields and windings - so it delivers more torque and your system actually runs better. But, it's chinese and it will have real durability problems if you expose it to salty, brackish, or mineral water. If you run mountain water then you should et 3-5 years our of them. they run about $130 if you hunt around. I may even have one left over from last year. I quit handling them. The quality wasn't up to the standards I want to be associated with. But it may be your only sub $200 option left.

 

[TMALEGA]

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Thank you rritt i had not intention of giving them another dime. Already started a bbb case with them and the lady i spoke with there was not sounding pleased. Dont know if that is a good or bad thing. It was the first option i thought of that didnt put me into jail for the way they talked down to me and treated me. Lol. I do appreciate the advice. I may just deal with the wire being lose right now to get through the weekend and do my best to protect it from coming loose completly then next week take it to this other place i was reccommended to see how much they will charge me to do the right work. If it is that hard i will let a professional do it. I was thinking it would be just a simple unbolt and rebolt after reattaching the wire. The motor works great when it works. But that is if the wires are geting good connections.