Time & Dems

BrianFD

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Sorry to c & p, but I'm not smart enought to post this on my own:<br />Time and the Democrats<br /><br />The Democrats are complaining on how long the war is taking, but consider this:<br /><br />It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.<br /><br />It took less time to find Saddam's sons in Iraq than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.<br /><br />It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sunk at Chappaquid****.<br /><br />It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in those three Democrat Counties in Florida!!!!!!<br /><br />Darn, our military is GREAT!!!!
 

Homerr

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Ain't that the truth?<br /><br />Too bad the Left can't see this.<br /><br />It really amazes me how much of the negative they report on the war. <br />I didn't realize it at first, but now that I pay close attention... Have they ever reported the positive?<br /><br />The economy is the same... God forbid the economy gets better via Bush and the gang. All the Democrats have their shorts in a wad over that!<br /><br />HAHAHA!<br /><br />H.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Democrats need to come up with new ideas. The only ideas they have are to fight against the republicans. How is this good for our country?<br /><br />Our country can't move ahead with a democrat anchor stuck in the mud! I did like the democrat party and even had considered myself one. I lost intrest in the party since all they do is bicker about how wrong the other party is. I hate people who slander, degrade, and mis-represent the truth of others. <br /><br />To me the democrats are to busy setting up their moves like a chess game to get Hilliary in as president. Even if she does run for president, I won't vote for her. I feel she cannot make a right decesion. Reason being, she should have diviorced Bill for the crap that happened while he was in office. Most American women would have kicked him out and filed for a diviorce. Why didn't she do that? Money!<br /><br />I'm stopping, my blood pressure is telling me to relax and cool off.<br /><br />SS
 

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Yup. Election year next year.<br /><br />What chance will the Democrat/Liberal candidate have if:<br /><br />* They let GW and company win the war on terror or even appear to be winning it?<br /><br />* They let GW and company finish fixing the economy that Clinton land-mined on his way out?<br /><br />* They let GW and company get people back to work?<br /><br />* They let GW and company get a prescription drug benefit into Medicare for us old folks?<br /><br />Not much, I think.
 

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You are right, JB.. The Dem's will have no chance if all of that happens.<br /><br />Except that: GW and his policies are creating more terror than they are eliminating.<br /><br /> GW is losing more jobs than he is creating.<br /><br /> The presciption drug plan, expecially for those in rural areas, will not help seniors at all. It is yet another "Leave no lobbyist and special interest behind" boondoggle.<br /><br />Etc. Etc. Karl Rove and the spinning machine will be in full gear, no doubt.<br /><br />Actually, if what you said would actually happen, and actually come true, I would support GW. I see absolutely no chance of that happening. What I see is an adminstration that refuses to allow the press to photograph the body bags and claims the media is only reporting the bad news! What a laugh.<br /><br />And now the latest news. We are going to stay there as long as it takes, or the end of June, apparently, whichever is sooner. Even Karl Rove knows that it is hard to win an election under the backdrop of body bags
 

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Yep Clinton was too worried about Monica instead of the USA.<br />That's a fact that can't be denied by anyone.<br /><br />At least GW is doing something.<br />Some say right, some say wrong, but at least he ain't just sitting around waiting for it to fix itself.
 

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Here's an article by Anne Coulter. She's so fine.<br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty<br /><br />The Party Of Ideas<br />November 20, 2003<br /><br />Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War<br /><br />WITH ECONOMIC growth and name recognition of the average Democratic presidential candidate both running at about 7 percent, the Democrats are in trouble. Unable to rouse more than the Saddam-supporting left with their kooky foreign-policy ideas, the Democrats had been counting on a lousy economy. <br /><br />It turns out that, given a choice between "shock and awe" and "run and hide," the American people prefer the former. Now that the Bush tax cuts have already started to kick in and boost the economy, it was beginning to look as if the Treason Lobby would have nothing to run on. <br /><br />But the Democrats have discovered a surprise campaign issue: It turns out that several of them have had a death in the family. Not only that, but many Democrats have cracker-barrel humble origins stories and a Jew or lesbian in the family. **** Gephardt's campaign platform is that his father was a milkman, his son almost died and his daughter is a lesbian. Vote for me! <br /><br />So don't say the Democrats aren't the party of ideas. As they keep reminding us, their ideas are just too darn complex to fit on a bumper sticker. Consequently, the Democrats can't tell us their ideas until after the election. Instead, their version of a political campaign is to stage a "Queen for a Day" extravaganza – which has special resonance in the case of the Democrats. <br /><br />Al Gore famously inaugurated the family tragedy routine at the 1992 Democratic National Convention, where his idea of an inspiring political speech was to recount the story of his son being hit by a car. At the 1996 convention, Gore told a tear-jerker about his sister's long, painful death from lung cancer. It got to the point that Gore's family members had to fear any more runs for higher office. <br /><br />In the current campaign, Gephardt has taken to spinning out a long, pitiful tale of his son's near-death three decades ago. If a lingering family medical tragedy is the main qualification for becoming a Democratic presidential candidate, what's Michael Schiavo waiting for? <br /><br />At dozens of campaign stops, Mrs. Gephardt weeps anew as her husband tells the same gut-wrenching story over and over again. The relevance of his son's illness to Gephardt's run for the presidency is this: It inspired Gephardt's call for national health insurance. With his wife softly weeping in the background, he intones, "I get it." <br /><br />At least when Gephardt exploits a family tragedy, he doesn't expect praise for not exploiting a family tragedy. John Edwards injects his son's fatal car accident into his campaign by demanding that everyone notice how he refuses to inject his son's fatal car accident into his campaign. <br /><br />Edwards has talked about his son's death in a 1996 car accident on "Good Morning America," in dozens of profiles and in his new book. ("It was and is the most important fact of my life.") His 1998 Senate campaign ads featured film footage of Edwards at a learning lab he founded in honor of his son, titled "The Wade Edwards Learning Lab." He wears his son's Outward Bound pin on his suit lapel. He was going to wear it on his sleeve, until someone suggested that might be a little too "on the nose." <br /><br />If you want points for not using your son's death politically, don't you have to take down all those "Ask me about my son's death in a horrific car accident" bumper stickers? Edwards is like a politician who keeps announcing that he will not use his opponent's criminal record for partisan political advantage. I absolutely refuse to mention the name of my dearly beloved and recently departed son killed horribly in a car accident, which affected me deeply, to score cheap political points. <br /><br />I wouldn't want John Edwards to be president, but I think even Karl Rove would be willing to stipulate that the death of a son is a terrible thing. <br /><br />Howard Dean talks about his brother Charlie's murder at the hands of North Vietnamese communists. Bizarrely, after working on the failed George McGovern campaign, Charlie Dean went to Indochina in 1974 to witness the ravages of the war he had opposed. Not long after he arrived, the apparently ungrateful communists captured and killed him. Hey fellas! I'm on your s-- CLUNK! <br /><br />Howard Dean wears his brother's battered 1960s belt every day. (By contrast, Ted Kennedy honors the memory of his deceased family members with several belts every day.) Dean told Dan Rather about his brother's death at some length on CBS News: "It gave me a sense that you ought to live for the moment with people; that you really – you really need to tell people you love them if you love them. It was certainly the most awful thing that ever happened to our family. It was terrible for my parents; it was even worse for them than it was for us." <br /><br />Dammit, if a man wants to be my president, I have a right to know where he stands on the issue of when to tell the people you love that you love them! Couldn't the Democratic Party go back to plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock like Sen. Joe Biden, rather than plagiarizing "Lifetime: TV for Women"? Do any men at all vote for the Democrats anymore? <br /><br />Carol Moseley Braun's personal tragedy is that she's being forced to run for president even though it turns out the Democrats won't need her to split the black vote anyway. Please, can I drop out now? Al Sharpton is only polling at 2 percent. I hate this! <br /><br />Sharpton is the counterpoint to his sob sisters in the Democratic Party. Sharpton libeled innocent men in the Tawana Brawley case. He inflamed angry mobs in Brooklyn's Crown Heights, leading to the murder of Yankel Rosenbaum. He incited an anti-Semitic pogrom against a Jewish-owned clothing store in Harlem, Freddy's, ending in a blaze of bullets and fire that left several employees dead. So while the other Democrats talk about their personal tragedies, Sharpton goes around creating personal tragedies. <br /><br />In addition to having a number of family deaths among them, the Democrats' other big idea – too nuanced for a bumper sticker – is that many of them have Jewish ancestry. There's Joe Lieberman: Always Jewish. Wesley Clark: Found Out His Father Was Jewish in College. John Kerry: Jewish Since He Began Presidential Fund-Raising. Howard Dean: Married to a Jew. Al Sharpton: Circumcised. Even Hillary Clinton claimed to have unearthed some evidence that she was a Jew – along with the long lost evidence that she was a Yankees fan. And that, boys and girls, is how the Jews survived thousands of years of persecution: by being susceptible to pandering. <br /><br />Clark said that when he discovered he was half-Jewish, he remembered growing up in Arkansas and feeling "a certain kinship" with Jewish families in the dry-goods business. (I, too, have always felt a certain kinship with Calvin Trillin.) <br /><br />The Democrats' urge to assert a Jewish heritage is designed to disguise the fact that the Democrats would allow the state of Israel to perish as Palestinian suicide bombers slaughter Jewish women and children. Their humble-origins claptrap is designed to disguise the fact that liberals think ordinary people are racist scum. Their perverse desire to discuss the deaths and near-deaths of their children is designed to disguise the fact that they support the killing of more than a million unborn children every year. (Oh, by the way, what did their milkman and millworker fathers think about abortion?) <br /><br />If the Democrats start extolling you – get a gun.
 

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...but half the population has their ears and eyes closed. If you had a neighbor who, so obviously, lied and prevaricated like the current crop of Dem candidates (not to mention the Hillarys and Daschels) you would steer a wide circle around them. How come half the American public puts up with it?
 

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I doubt that it is half, Boomyal.<br /><br />In politics it is usually 5% of the people making 90% of the noise.
 

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I am truly beginning to fear for democracy. With all of the serious issues facing this country, the political debate seems to always, at least among the Ann Coulter and other right wing media types, resort immediately to labeling the opposition as treasonous liberals, and ignoring the real debate.<br />Time will tell whether this strategy will work, but if it does, it does not bode well for the future of democracy. These folks don't want to govern, they want to rule, and will attempt to destroy in any way they can anyone that gets in their way.<br />No wonder the Iraqis want no part in democracy, if this is what democracy is.
 

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Don't worry, Plywoody.<br /><br />There are at least two signs that a person has a weak understanding of an issue:<br /><br />1. Calling names.<br /><br />2. Assigning less than honorable motives to the opposition.<br /><br />You and Ann Coulter demonstrate them both, though you take opposite sides. Either would lose you a debate.<br /><br />The quickest way to lose a debate, though, remains to lose your temper.<br /><br />You can do better than that. :)
 

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Plywoody,<br /><br />Just so you appreciate some of the arguements, we will be here, guarding your right to bear arms to protect yourself against the Lunitic right.<br /><br />Of course the left will be usurping your land ownership rights with their ridiculous animal rights campaigns (guise). They will continue to expand "hate crime legislation" as if they know what goes on in a persons mind, opps there goes freedom of expression, and speech. Knocking off a couple of million babies a year, has nothing to do with rights, it's defineing one person's wants as more important than another's life. The left always knows who has more rights than another. Ruling always allows you to impose your values on others.<br /><br />I always consider rugged self reliance to be my guide. Do I need to wait another year to get a new car to make sure I can cover my health care bills, then I do. I need a job, I go look for one, or better yet find a place I want to work and show them why it is in their best interest to hire me. Done that twice. Or I can blame the president cuz there are no CEO positions available to high school dropouts.<br /><br />Assigning core values and principals to life make all decisions much easier and more clear. If you have no values, everything becomes a gray area issue and you end up with the impossible task of balancing everyones opinions to create the quagmier that is the government today. And the mentality that you simply rob from the rich to buy votes from the poor and lazy should disgust everyone regardless of political persuasion. If you are cold we give you heat, hungry-food, broke-money, hot-a/c, sick-healthcare, stupid-education. Reigning in the mentality that we all deserve the same-(communism), to being accountable for at least for yourself would be a good start. I don't think we are going far enough to create the atmosphere of self reliance, and as long as we make people dependant on the government in greater and greater numbers every year, the further we get from what the true intension of this great experiment in freedom was ment to be. It doesn't take a village, it takes principals and the application of them. I have never asked the government for anything, but each election cycle I see people promising to take more and more of my personal property to buy the votes of the intellectually weak.<br /><br />Just my thoughts.
 

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Pointer94:<br /><br />Now youve gone and made it too simple!!! How do you ever expect a liberal to understand that???<br /><br />LubeDude
 

Columbia

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"I lost intrest in the (Democratic) party since all they do is bicker about how wrong the other party is. I hate people who slander, degrade, and mis-represent the truth of others."<br /><br />Mayfloat: I reckon you don't listen to talk radio.....or Anne Coulter....or **** Cheney...etc.......
 

BrianFD

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Oh my! What have I started??<br />May the Mods forgive me...
 

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Lose my temper. JB? How can you say that? All I want to do is accurately debate specific issues, rather than engage in mindless name calling.<br /><br />Let's take, for example, this prescription drug plan that is about to be passed.<br /><br />Ok, my daughter is officially 100% disabled. (although she has never collected a nickel from SSDI or anything else) However she is eligible, as near as I can tell, for this benefit.<br /><br />So here is her benefit, again as near as I can tell. (It is 1100 pages long, and I confess to not having read all the fine print). Since her brain surgery, she has required a certain medicine on a daily basis, and will for the rest of her life. We have been legally importing the drug from Canada, where it costs appoximately $105 per month currently. In the US it costs approx $230 a month for the exact same drug made by the exact same manufacturer. (There is no generic available, and since it is a lightly prescribed drug, probably never will have a generic available)<br /><br />Her benefit will be that this bill makes illegal importing this drug from Canada, but she will get a discount on it once she hits her deductible. She makes too much money, so her benefit will be about 25% once she hits that deductible amount.<br /><br />So the result is that she will pay immediately $1500 more annually than she is now for this benefit, and has, if she meets the deductible, only have to pay $1100 more annually due to this "benefit".<br /><br />Of course, there is no opportunity to hope for a lower cost for this drug, because this bill apparently specifically prohibits the government from attemtping to negotiate a cheaper bulk price for it.<br /><br />So pardon our lack of appreciation, but we would rather not have this benefit.<br /><br />I do wonder, however, why the drug companies are so aligned and appreciative of this bill, and why they have employed over 600 lobbyists, and given millions and millions of dollars in campaign contributions, mostly to Republicans. I suppose it is probably because they want to, in some grand philanthropic gesture, want to make life easier for our seniors and disabled. Yep, that must be it.<br /><br />Of course, they skillfully crafted this benefit so that it does not take effect until after the next election--although it is unclear to me when the ban on importation of Canadian drugs takes place.<br /><br />So if I lack enthusiam for these things, pardon me.
 

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The dems brought this beny to the table a few years ago when no one was asking for it. Now the reps are adopting it also to keep the dems from having anything to bring to the table other than charactor assasination of our "Honorable President Bush."<br /><br />yipi ye yahhhhhhh!.....cowboy.... :D
 

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I still don't see how my income can be taxed away from me for a program that I don't agree with, use, want, or have any input on. If the politicians want to buy peoples votes why don't they cough it up out of their own pockets.<br /><br />I see nobody is thanking the drug companies for investing billions of their dollars and creating life saving drugs that were unimaginable a generation ago. No I think we should demonize them for charging for their inovations which in turn would fund the development of a new generation of drugs. And when they don't feel bad, we sick the government on them and dictate what they should charge for them. One problem, this is a free country and they can do what they want with their product. Lousy country!!! They don't feel my pain.<br /><br />Next tactic, it's not fair.<br /><br />Yea, that will work. We will guilt politicians into having others pay the bill for me. You know all those rich guys have too much money already. The fact that 10% shoulders 90% of the tax burden is not enough. And heck, they are only 10% we will just vote ourselves more of their money, and who cares if that 1000 bucks translates into only 5 bucks to the people who voted for it after the government wastes most of it, it's 5 bucks I didn't have yesterday and its 1000 bucks that those rich guys shouldn't have had in the first place.<br /><br />And the real winners, the politicians who can sleep easier knowing that they have taken one more freedom from the people and made themselves more important than the principals that spauned this experiment in Socialism, oopps, I mean freedom. They have bought themselves enough votes to ensure re-election. The bonus is they were able to word it in such a way that the people get nothing, the drug mfg's now need to pay them off yearly and the world just feels like a better more caring place.<br /><br />Somebody wake me up when we land in China please.
 

Boomyal

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No Pointer94. You miss the point. They only do it because they really care. Why even Sen. Gephardt once told me how much he cares. Yes indeed.<br /><br />Hey Mods, can you arrange to add a puking Graemlin?
 

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Uh oh, look out here. I agree with plywoody.<br />But what I don't understand, is why plywoody would be so mad at the Republicrats since they've started passing spending bills like the Democrats have done for decades. And since they've continued taking money from lobbyists just like they've always done.<br />This is all so much business as usual, except the Republicrats have become more like the Democrats.<br />In fact if we weren't in a time of war it would be dang near impossible to tell the difference.<br /><br />Plywoody please send me the link to the bill your getting your figures from. Not rhetorical jibberish but facts. The bill was just passed and 1100 pages of legal jargon is a lot for you read overnite.<br /><br />BTW, since your daughter qualifies for SSDI wouldn't it be prudent to collect so that it will offset the expenses with her medications?
 
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