To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

[cyclops2]

Raise native fish fry in a hatchery. ONLY feed them NEW BORN problem fish as their food. You will create a eating machine that wants problem fish / clams/ Zebras.

Striped Bass can EASILY crack any invasive specie of clams & mussels. The adult small bait fish can also be trained to attack baby invasive pests.

Raise ALL native fish to EAT NEW BORN Snakefish, Jumping carp & anything else.

Native weed eaters like carp raised on invasive weeds, can eliminate problem weeds...............


All the above is worth a try. Suprised NO Fish & Game people are not doing it.

It is called WORK. Not like sitting around waiting for a wonderfull pension to drop into your lap.

Rich

 

[Bondo]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

Native weed eaters like carp raised on invasive weeds, can eliminate problem weeds...............

Ayuh,.... Carp ain't native to North America,...

Neither are Brown Trout...

 

[JB]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

Plausible theories, Rich.

What evidence is there that any of them would actually work?? If, as you accuse, no F&G people are doing any of them why are they not just pie in the sky?

It would be a lot more helpful to me to hear what I, and other fishermen, can do to help.

 

[jigngrub]

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Ayuh,.... Carp ain't native to North America,...

Neither are Brown Trout...

Yeah, the Europeans brought the Carp over here because they thought they were good table fare... little did they know we have much better native fish table fare.

Carp don't eat that much vegetation, what people are seeing when they see Carp in the weeds is them rooting around looking for grass shrimp, crawfish, and other crustaceans. This rooting around can actually spread these weeds.




Nature has a way of balancing out these invasive species things. If the Common Carp wasn't already here and someone snuck in and planted some where they all are now everyone would be screaming and jumping up and down that it's the end of the world and certain doom for all native species of fishes... but it's perfectly ok for biologists to introduce non native desirable species wherever they take a notion...hmmmmm.

We don't need to train other fish to eat the invasive species fish... we need to train people to eat them. Give them commercial value and the stocks will be decimated in no time if there aren't any limits put on them.

Asian Carp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SNtJo958BM

Snakehead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIxdAaY6PA

People are too picky about what they eat now and will dismiss a food just by it's name before even trying it.

Plausible theories, Rich.

What evidence is there that any of them would actually work?? If, as you accuse, no F&G people are doing any of them why are they not just pie in the sky?

It would be a lot more helpful to me to hear what I, and other fishermen, can do to help.

Eat'em up JB, they're good!!!

 

[cyclops2]

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We will have tons of Asian carp. Also being called "jumping carp" all over the Great Lakes. People have caught them in the lake already. What the Asians do not eat the Zebras & other filter feeds will eat. When all the well known bait, panfish, bass sized fish die off, so do the big meat eaters in freshwaters.

You are right about our "assumed" native carp brought over by German immigrants as a food.

Time to start learning to fillet those hairlike bones out of Carp. Carp & cardboard have the same taste. None to me.

 

[jigngrub]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

We will have tons of Asian carp. Also being called "jumping carp" all over the Great Lakes. People have caught them in the lake already. What the Asians do not eat the Zebras & other filter feeds will eat. When all the well known bait, panfish, bass sized fish die off, so do the big meat eaters in freshwaters.

You are right about our "assumed" native carp brought over by German immigrants as a food.

Time to start learning to fillet those hairlike bones out of Carp. Carp & cardboard have the same taste. None to me.

You've been listening to too much media hype dude.

If you'll remember back when they discovered the zebra mussels and round gobies in the great lake it was going to be the complete obliteration of the great lakes ecosystem... but hey, guess what? The zebra mussels cleaned the water up and they found out that gobies eat zebra mussels and walleye, pike, bass, and perch eat gobies... imagine that, they both found their niches in the eco chain.

If you want to to squawk about an invasive species, squawk about the sea lamprey... they give nothing to the ecosystem and only take.

Maybe if the asian carp get into the great lakes the lampreys will find they like them better than any other fish and quit killing the lake trout for asian carp instead... and maybe the asian carp will find that they love lamprey eggs better than anything they've eaten before and they kill each other out. Who knows?

 

[cyclops2]

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Very true Jig. Everytime people try to correct 1 problem we create more & worse ones.

I vote for the Grub.


The snakehead is close to the Lampry on usefullness ??

 

[LongLine]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

I don't recall any German imigrants named Robinson. Check out USGS for Introduction of Carp:

http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/FactSheet.aspx?speciesID=4
About 1/3 of the way down.

As to mussels - Zebras aren't the problem - Quagga's are! Zebras stay in 10 ft or shallower. Quagga's go out to 500Ft. Mussels are filter feeders. Unfortunately, they clean out the nutrients that feed the lower end of the gamefish food chain & leave things like Blue-green algae. As to Gobies, yes they eat a few but not enough to say so, as they have shown a definite preference for small bass. Mussels have made a mess of the Great Lakes ecosystem. Look at Erie, it was making a comevback but it's worse now than it's ever been. You can see the algae blooms from the MODIS satelite shots.

Anyone saying the asian carp could eat lamprey eggs obviously...I won't say it. Lamprey eggs are burried & Asian carp are roaming plankton eaters. Lampreys & Lakers are Benthic specie. (cold water bottom dwellers) Asian Carp won't inhabit the same portion of the water column.

For anyone wanting to eat the Asian Carp, I say enjoy! You'll have them soon enough & just think you won't need traditional fishing gear. Trade your rod for a helmet. They'll jump right into your boat.

 

[jigngrub]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

Anyone saying the asian carp could eat lamprey eggs obviously...I won't say it. Lamprey eggs are burried & Asian carp are roaming plankton eaters. Lampreys & Lakers are Benthic specie. (cold water bottom dwellers) Asian Carp won't inhabit the same portion of the water column.

You definitely need to do some reading:

http://www.fws.gov/midwest/marquette/cycle.html

The snakehead is close to the Lampry on usefullness ??

Snakehead actually have a sporting quality, they hit topwater lures with smashing strikes like Bass and fight hard. They can grow to a large size and will test heavy Bass fishing tackle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLzo29icL7Q&feature=related

They also taste good.

These people are eating Snakehead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIxdAaY6PA

 

[cyclops2]

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They also eliminate all other fish in a area over time.
VERY VERY protective of their young, which eat anything swimming. That collapses a food chain over time.

 

[dingbat]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

They also eliminate all other fish in a area over time.
VERY VERY protective of their young, which eat anything swimming. That collapses a food chain over time.

The ?Franken? fish hype as discredited long ago. While they certainly prey on other species that are smaller than them, so doe all the other game fish. Since the introduction of the snakehead in a pond in Crofton, back in 2002, the wide spread decimation of the local fish population never developed. In recent surveys they found quantities of baby snakeheads in the guts of largemouth bass, catfish and Stripers. Appearently snakheads are not protective enough when it comes to the predatory habits of large game fish that populate the areas.

We now have guides specializing in snakehead fishing and several local restaurants now have snakehead on the menu. It?s time the media moved on to the next great ecological disaster

http://www.fws.gov/northeast/maryla...anagement Plan for the Northern Snakehead.pdf

 

[jigngrub]

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Snakehead aren't that much different than Bowfin in looks and habit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowfin

Bowfin a native to North America and coexist with with other species as well as any other predator.

 

[LongLine]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

You definitely need to do some reading:

http://www.fws.gov/midwest/marquette/cycle.html

As I said the young bury themselves. Thanx for pointing out that drifting eggs MAY get eaten by minnows. That's a big "may."

Lakers are Benthic & the favorite blood of the lamprey.

 

[cyclops2]

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You are telling me that a TV 1 hour special is REALLY DESIGNED to keep me watching all the commericals ?????
And not a factual event ?????????????/

What else is new in THE USA ???????



N J.. F & G was supposed to be ORDERING the killing of any Snakehead years ago when they were over running the first pond.

 

[LongLine]

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Maryland did treat Crofton with Rotenone & killed many. Problem is that once there in, they're near impossible to erradicate. This link shows maryland DNR still offers recognition for any "catch & kill".

http://www.dnr.maryland.gov/dnrnews/pressrelease2011/041511.asp

 

[cyclops2]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

Maryland thinks they are a serious threat to normal fish populations as of today & into 2012. Not a cute eel fish.
A web search of... status of invasive fishes .....is really a eye opener of the mess, world wide shipping, planes, people traveling, transporting THEIR countries plants & animals around the world is causing.

Of course, NO ONE has any right to stop anyone from doing what they want to do.

Going to get a lot better.

 

[dingbat]

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Maryland thinks they are a serious threat to normal fish populations as of today & into 2012.

Md. has backed off the serious threat and now states:

"As top predators, their negative impacts to the ecosystem and other important recreational and commercially valued fisheries could be significant”. "Could" is a long ways from “serious threat”

 

[dingbat]

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[cyclops2]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

I notice they are only offering 3 prizes in 2012, for everyone killing a Snake head. Seems like a small concern about the snakes.

Oldbrain....They are ACTUALLY tagging & releasing the snakes for data collecting.

STUPID or stupider than stupid ? What are my license & sporting taxes doing ??????

 

[LongLine]

Re: To get rid of invasive water problems. Plants or animals.

Snakehead Recipes. BY Ben Greenman

Southern-Style Breaded Amberjack

Ingredients:
1 northern snakehead
1 lb. amberjack fillets
2 tbsp. Louisiana-style mustard
1 c. coarsely ground pecans
1 tsp. horseradish
1/2 c. breadcrumbs
Instructions:
In a small bowl, mix mustard, pecans, horseradish, and breadcrumbs. Pat the amberjack filets until dry and coat on both sides with the contents of bowl. Grease an oven tray or dish, place fish on tray, and bake at 350 degrees for eight to twelve minutes. Serve to snakehead.