Too much fuel pressure?

wire knot

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The 350 chev I have( '75 225 OMC),
Runs quite rich.
I strongly suspect a new carb is in order(this one has been rebuilt).

I haven't tested pressure yet.
How likely is it that the fuel pump is pumping too much fuel?
There is no filter at the carb, (Have the cannister type
Filter/sep.) Can a filter check the flow?

There i so much fuel, that it is puddling in the throat.

Thanks for all advice.
WK
 

wire knot

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

Hey where did the Pirate smiley come from?
 

Reel Poor

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

It's possible but unlikely. Most mechanical pump failures are due to lack of fuel pressure. To verify pressure you would need a fuel pressure guage. It sounds like you have a float or needle/seat problem in the carb.

[quote user=wire knot uid=84475 fid=24 tid= rid=]Can a filter check the flow?[/quote]

It won't check the flow but I have heard on several occassions that running without a filter can cause flooding. Maybe it causes flooding because small particals may be allowed to settle or get stuck in the needles seat.

Just because it's been overhauled before does not mean it can't be done again.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

The floats could be set too high also. ReelPoor is correct, Most GM carbs have a filter where the fuel line screws into the carb..
 

wire knot

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

Thanks guys,

The carb was JUST rebuilt.
Not by me, but it is still suspect.
This carb has "other" issues also.
Mainly no choke.
The base plate (very bottm section)was changed to an auto, when the adj. screws were broken.

A rebuilt carb is in the works, but, the admiral says
it wouldn't be a good gift for her christmas.:love:

Wanted to have ya'lls opinion about the pressure BEFORE the new carb.

I'll get the filter and try that first.

Anyone else?

Thanks again.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

I wouldn't give up on the old carb yet. Pull it apart and check the needle and seat,float rise and drop are at specs. were the floats replaced or the old ones re-used?
 

ziggy

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

sure, pressure test the fuel pump. i don't know what the pressure is supposed to be. but there is a specicification. i suspect it to be between 3-6 psi between idle and 1k rpm. but don't know that to be a fact for an omc. also, if the pressure varies, low or high at different speeds pump should be replaced or repaired. + get yer proper filter.

flooding:
worn or damaged or dirty needle and seat
incorrect float adj.
leaky or fuel satuerated float
internal leaky gasket(s)

this info is based on mercruiser 225..not omc. it might be different......good luck......
 

wire knot

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

Gary said:
I wouldn't give up on the old carb yet. Pull it apart and check the needle and seat,float rise and drop are at specs. were the floats replaced or the old ones re-used?

I can't say about the new float. Are there floats in a rebuild kit?
The Idle mix screws(correct name?) do not seem to
do anything when adjusted.
These would be on the bottom plate that was replaced.

I'll tear it down and check the needles and seats.
What am I looking for? Will I be able to tell if they are bad?

Thanks
 

ziggy

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

The Idle mix screws(correct name?) do not seem to
do anything when adjusted.

to me, that's a sign that the throttle plates ain't closed. or yer gettin air leaking by the throttle plates. maybe, look at where the throttle plates sit in the venturi. perhaps some wear in that area?
idle mix screws only work at idle. throttle plates closed completely......this forces the air to go thru the idle circirt of the carb....

the idle speed screw could also prevent the throttle plates from closeing completely. make sure yer speed screw is not adj. so that the throttle plates are open.

i'm no mech. so that's only my guess..........
 

ron7000

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

what kind of carb, rochester or holley?
flooding is caused by the needle valve not closing and stopping fuel flow. what you can do is pull the carb off, turn it upside down to get most of the gas out of it. Turn it right side up and blow into the fuel inlet of the carb, you should be able to and be able to hear air going into it. Then blow into it while turning it upside down, the float should drop (upside down) and close the needle valve and you should not be able to blow in or hear anything. Blow as hard as you can, if air goes in then you have a bad needle valve and you need to replace it.
But if this proves the needle valve is good it doesn't mean the float is. New floats are not part of a typical rebuild kit, you almost always have to buy them separate and if someone else rebuilds your carb floats are almost always not replaced unless you specifically ask. The float could be leaking and not closing the needle valve, or the float level could simply be set wrong. Not all floats float at the same level so following a carb rebuild instruction sheet and setting float level at x inches does not always work. If it's a 1975 carb then I wouldn't be surprised if you need new floats. And if it's flooding the idle mix screws aren't going to affect anything. You'll need to get the needle valve working and make sure the float is good and set at the correct level before the idle mix screws have any chance of working.
With the float, remove it and shake it. if there's fuel inside it it's bad. And you can also submerge it in a cup of gas and watch for air bubbles and also make sure it floats. also note if it's a metal or plastic float. It's UNcommon for 30 year old metal floats to be working!

very unlikely the fuel pump is pumping too much, as in too much pressure. All carbs require a couple psi pressure minimum to function and less than around 10psi. Once around 10psi and higher the pressure gets too great and the needle valve can't maintain a steady fuel level in the carb. General rule of thumb is 3-6 psi at the carb. You'll usually see 5-8 psi from a good mechanical fuel pump at idle but at high rpms that pressure will drop which is normal. Rigging up a pressure gauge to see fuel pressure when the motor is running is not always easy. First step would be to just check pressure directly from fuel pump into handheld gauge while cranking the motor. You should see at least 3-4 psi but can see up to around 10 psi. Up to 10 is normal because it's just a static pressure test with nothing flowing so don't get misled. If it's higher than the traditional 3-6 psi then all that really means is you should check fuel pressure with motor running to get a correct fuel pump pressure reading.
 

wire knot

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Re: Too much fuel pressure?

thanks Ron, Ziggy,

I'll try to test with air.

WK
 
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