Top end?

makaig

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I have a 16' "tahiti" hull (ski boat) with a 88 Force 125 I got the new 20 pole tach from Medallion and it says at WOT I'm only getting 4200rpm's th speedo in the dash says 41-43 and my prop is original and the only number is 17. When I throw her in gear she stalls 1/2 the time idle is 600-650. Do I need a smaller prop to get more top end and better fuel economy or should I just shut up and be happy?
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Top end?

That engine on that boat with that prop should turn more than 4200 RPM, ASSUMING the boat is not loaded down with all kinds of weight. In small boats, even multiple persons riding in the boat make a big difference in speed because their weight is a greater percentage of the boat weight.

However, even with the notorious inaccuracy of dash speedometers, with two people in the boat I would expect a little more than 42 MPH. At 4200 RPM with a 17 pitch prop and your gear ratio, your theoretical top speed would be 39 MPH. Figure 10% for prop slip and you are down to 35-- so there are some inaccurate measurements there. But if you bought the tach new, it should be within 2% or 80 RPM at 4000.

A 17 pitch on that size hull is a little fine and I would expect the engine to swing a 19 at about 4500-5000 RPM at about 45-47 MPH. So swinging a 17 pitch at 4200 means you are not getting 125 HP out of the engine. Hell! I'm swinging a 19 cupped with my Chrysler 140 at 4500 RPM on a 21 foot cuddy.

So, Given that, go over to the Force forum and search synchronizing and timing threads. Also do a compression test to be sure all cylinders are in good condition. And reset the idle speed to 700-750 in forward gear, in the water. 600-650 is too low and the engine will regularly stall at idle.

Once you have the engine running correctly, then consider a stainless prop. It is expensive but will usually give 400 RPM and 2-3 MPH more than an equivalent aluminum prop. If you have the black, open hub, semi-cleaver, aluminum piece of crap prop, you will definitely see an increase in speed just by going to an after-market prop.

If you are not having ventilation/cavitation problems, then my favorite prop would be the Chrysler uncupped stainless 13 X 19 pitch prop. You will need to search for one though. They are no longer made and only available rarely on ebay or sometimes through classifieds on The Chrysler Crew. I bought one in good condition for 200 there. Got the prop, thrust washer, prop nut, and aluminum tail-cone adapter. It has a different blade profile and seems to run better on Chrysler and Force engines.

If you are having Cavitation/ventilation problems, then the Michigan 19 pitch stainless (cupped) will be good. While stainless increases RPM, cupped props drop the RPM a bit but "hold" the water better. Cupping does NOT increase speed itself; it allows you to run the prop higher on trim and lift the bow a bit for less wetted area and more speed. You are running your trim out far enough, aren't you? too much trim in (down) lowers the bow and makes the boat plow. Note that to my knowledge, ALL Chrysler and Force props (including the P.O.C.) were made by Michigan--obviously, some were better than others. And mind you, I am stating 19 pitch as an example assuming you get the engine running strong. You may still find it necessary to run a 17 pitch SO TRY BEFORE YOU BUY.
 

makaig

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Re: Top end?

Thanks for advise. I have 135-140 on all four cylinders,and the timing is at 32* BTDC or the long middle timing line at WOT. Still only 4200, I'm thinking maybe the tach or miss marked prop? The motor sounds good yet I can't tell if she's maxed or still has more to go. I'm looking to borrow a tach and prop to see which it maybe .The idle problem is with the gasket around the lower part of the leg where the piece comes off the back.Exhaust is filling the cowling and choking her at idle Any ideas about where to get another gasket or is there something else I can do to seal her up? Foam spray? Thanks again for your help.
 

makaig

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Re: Top end?

Finally got a tach to check the new one. It was off by 1000 rpm's at W OT so the motor is turning good and the damn dash speedo was off .4 mph at WOT reading 43 and the GPS said 42.6 . Who would have thunk it. I guess unless I do something stupid ( won't be long) I can keep my current prop and BE HAPPY.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Top end?

Exhaust gases entering the engine at idle are USUALLY the result of a torn or mis-seated bellows on the idle relief--not the lower rubber gasket at the bottom of the rear shroud.

Look down about six inches below the engine head and you will see the rubber bellows. It should be evenly seated in the tapered hole in the rear shroud. If not, it will leak exhaust into the engine compartment. Reach down and re-seat it if it is incorrect. It is spring loaded with a plastic piece on the end. Sometimes the plastic melts and distorts so you need to check that too. Lastly, the bellows is held to the midleg with a wire spring clamp. With age, this rusts and also tends to pierce through the bellows causing leakage.

Replacing the lower gasket can be a bear. You can force it around the midleg, but the proper way to do it is to remove the motor mount screws and rear shroud then tilt the midleg way back to make room. Since the motor mount screws are most likely corroded in, in all probability you will snap more than one--a thankless job. Unless absolutely necessary, leave that gasket be.

And 5200 is just about right for RPM. Figuring 1.78 lower unit gears, at 5200 with a 17 pitch prop, theoretical top speed would be 47 -10% or 42.1/4 MPH.
So that sounds pretty much like what you are running right now.

If you want to check my figures, find how fast the prop is turning through the water in RPM. Multiply by pitch to get inches per minute. Divide by 12 to get feet per minute. Divide by 60 to get feet per second. 60 MPH is 88 feet per second, 30 MPH is 44 feet per second. So, divide your feet per second by 88 and multiply by 60. this is the longer way.

Or, since you are multiplying and dividing by 60 just divide your feet per minute by 88 and you will get speed in miles per hour.
 
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