Towing with a Subaru

steam_mill

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I currently own a 2000 Subaru Outback. Towing capacity is 2000lbs. I'm looking at a boat that weighs exactly 2000lbs with trailer, motor etc. Boat will be towed once to cottage from dealer. About 50 miles. From then forward, it will be towed 100 feet to the water and put in in May and pulled out in October. I don't have a boat ramp but rather a grassy and sand area that is about as slopped as a boat ramp. Will I have any problems pulling out the boat with Subaru's all wheel drive system?<br /><br />tx.
 

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Howdy, SM.<br /><br />I think you will probably be okay at the lake, though I would like a low range for loading her on an unimproved "ramp". An automatic would be a lot easier than a stick.<br /><br />For that one-time tow to the cottage, do you think you might borrow a larger vehicle to allow a bit of margin should emergency braking or maneuvering be needed?<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

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So no one else will be in the Outback while this boat is being towed? No other equipment; skis, ropes, gas in the tanks, etc?<br /><br />I just think you're going to really strain the motor and transmission to pull that load. I'm assuming yours has the HO (Horizontally Opposed) 4 cylinder engine. <br /><br />Keep it out of overdrive, and take it easy. Don't let the wheels spin when you pull it out this fall if you can help it.<br /><br />I'd agree with JB...borrow a friends truck who has a tow package & 4x4. Nothing beats a V8 for low end torque, and the added weight should help keep it from slipping when going in and out of the lake.<br /><br />My own personal preference is to not tow anything above 75% of the rating...in your case 1500#. That's just my own personal comfort margin...but I also have a newer truck with tow package, etc...so I know I'm safe with almost anything.
 

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agree with JB... spend the extra $50 a year to be<br />safe! rent a real truck for the day...<br />my .02,<br />M.Y.
 

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Hmm, well, Personaly,,, I feel most all safty rateings are reduced from actual rateing by a good little bit. I would not hesitate to tow a 2000 pound load with a vehical rated for 2000, Provided of course the vehical is in good mecanical order and sound structualy. I will not however argue that it is just as safe as using a full sized truck rated for more then the load. Small vehicals just arent made to tow loads, even when they come with a factory installed hitch. They Can do it, but are not really the right tool for the job.
 

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I'd be Worried about Stopping..!! That car doesn't have the Brakes for the Load....
 

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I think I would probably see if I could get a buddy with a truck to haul it out to the site. One thing too, it will probably be just as stressful on that Subaru pulling the boat up and out of the water as the entire 50 mile trip was. Those viscous center differentials can only handle so much abuse, then you are looking at a lot of cash. I am not a math genious, but once you put an angle to the equation, and the fact that you are pulling that through water, you will easily be exceeding the tow rating with the load that the car is seeing. I used to tow a 1300 pound boat/trailer combo with a 4 door Suzuki Sidekick, and it did fine on the highway, but at the ramp I used 4 wheel drive in low range to get it out of the water and up the ramp. This vehicle also had a real frame and a conventional 4 wheel drive drivetrain, not all those differentials and widgets that Subarus have. I honestly think you should scour the paper and get yourself an old clunker 4x4 pickup, even a small one like a Toyota, so if it breaks, you won't have to mortgage your dead grandmothers soul to fix it. I got rid of my Suzuki and bought a Ford F150 with a 5.8 liter engine and automatic, and will never have to worry about towing again. Good Luck....
 

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I just found this article testing a Subaru Outback from Boatingmag.com. Am I missing the mark in towing a 2000 lbs. boat. European spec Outback (same car, made in Indiana) are speced to to tow 4000 lbs.<br /><br />Comments?<br /><br />Tow Test: Subaru Legacy Outback Limited Wagon<br /> Page 1 of 2 <br />[printer friendly]<br />[email to a friend] <br /> <br />Those of you who refuse to acknowledge trucks as a primary mode of transport will be more than satisfied by a Subaru. This more-than-a-car-but-not-quite-a-truck offers lavish creature comforts, all-wheel drive that's perfect for light-duty towing, and a reasonable price of entry. If you don't need the bulk of a truck but want to haul a couple of waterbikes on weekends, listen up. There may be a quiz. For the 2000 model year, Subaru redesigned its mainstream Legacy line. This third-generation model is larger inside and out; it's powered by a bigger 2.5-liter engine rated at 165 horsepower; and countless engineering changes are aimed at improved over-the-road manners. The body structure has been reinforced and side air bags are now available. To check out Subaru's progress, we borrowed a top-of-the-line Legacy Outback Limited Wagon and hitched a Javelin bass boat and trailer rig behind it for a day trip around southeastern Michigan. <br />The Legacy offers a useful 7.3" of static ground clearance, yet it's so discreetly styled that it looks like your average station wagon (a sedan is also available). Every behind-the-wheel sensation reinforces the conclusion that there isn't a truck bone in this vehicle's body. Entry is slide-in convenient, the engine purrs like a contented cat, the ride is as smooth as maple syrup, and the mid-20s (sans bass boat) gas mileage is about 50 percent better than your average pickup or SUV. <br /><br />The four-cylinder engine never whimpered — even when we exceeded the factory's tow rating by a few hundred pounds — and the electronically controlled automatic transmission willingly clicked off shifts without slippage. Bombarded by gusts of wind from the side and tugging 2,700 pounds, this Subaru held its line with firm footing. Observed fuel economy was 14 mpg, again, at least 50 percent better than what you could expect from your average rig. <br /> <br />A slippery launch ramp provided a stiff test for Subaru's active all-wheel-drive system, which uses a computer to send torque rearward as needed (front-wheel drive is permanently engaged). A viscous limited-slip rear differential, an additional wheel-spin countermeasure, is included as standard equipment. Even without the benefit of a low-range transfer case, our test rig dug in until its Firestone Mud and Snow radials found traction. In pursuit of more low-end torque, Subaru engineers switched from four to two overhead camshafts to clear the way for more efficient intake ports. When you nail the gas with a heavy load behind you on a grade, this four-cylinder engine puts forth the effort of a V-6. <br /><br />Prices have climbed proportionally with Subaru's success, but don't be intimidated by this Legacy's high-20s sticker. The same engine and all-wheel-drive system can be found in other models priced in the low 20s.
 

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I live in The Land Of Subaru. I have never seen so many Subarus in my life. I am not sure why, but I have never seen one towing anything. It may be because the typical Subaru driver here is women, whose husbands drive pickup trucks (The other primary mode of transportation). I have seen a guy using a Taurus Wagon to tow a 1300ish pound boat to my ramp for the last few years and he seems to do alright, and he only has front wheel drive. I don't doubt the Subaru could do the job you ask, I am only concerned about how long it could do the job. It is easy for people to take a car and hook it up to a load and tow it during a one day test. I would be more impressed if a year long test was conducted with towed loads. A Honda Civic could tow a three thousand pound boat for one day, but could it do it for a year? In the end, its your rig, all I can say is good luck and take it easy and you might be alright.... :cool:
 

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As a weldor/fabricator in the trade for 25 years I have installed and set up many different types of hitches and towing packages. ANY vehicle can be set up to tow astronomicle weights. This statement has to be qualified though. Anything at or over 3500 lbs or exceeding 70% of the vehicles weight should have either electric or hydraulic brakes. The primary limitng factor on all installations is the transmission and second the total available horsepower for a particular application. Transmission coolers are must and in additon the transmission fluid has to be changed at 5,000 mile intervals. There is a point at which the vehicle is simply jus to small an engine and too lite a transmisson(like my KIA RIO....) A vehicles towing capacity is based on a broad spectrum of uses in ALL different situatuions. A vehicle rated for 2000 lb capacity is NOT going to break in half if your carrying 100 lbs over the rating. ALL hitches and weight capacities of towing packages are rated 50% of their MAXIMUM capacity NOT failure point. Ultimate capacity is 100% or point of damage to vehicle because an over weight condition. EX: 2000 lb capacity = 4000 lb safety threshold = 8000 lb = hardware failure.<br />Like the Subaru in this discussion; the capacity is 2000 lb for the vehicle on a daily continues use(vacation towing a 2000 lb trailer day in and day out for hundreds of miles) The hitch on the Subaru is rated 2000 lb with a real rating of 4000 lb and a failure point of 8000 lb. Why such a heavy rating? Simple, accidents resulting in excessive G forces. If the hitch on the Subaru is rated 3500 lbs you can safely tow that weight IF the trailer has brakes AND the hitch system is set up properly, if you do not tow daily AND for short duration trips such as a to a boat ramp a few short miles away. Driving habits also come into play. If your gonna nail the petal to the floor every time you start out, your gonna trash the engine and transmission in thousand miles or less because of excessive manifold pressure(detonation or close to it, really heats the valves up..). Insurance is NOT a problem regardless of the trailer weight (within reason..) as long as the HITCH SYSTEM is setup properly. Excessive weights WILL void your warranty if the vehicle is under warranty..The only final determingng factor for this indiviuals use is: Does the engine have the avalable HP to negotiate the hills or altitude and boat ramp conditons in his area? In south Florida where I live, I would not hesitate on a weekly baises to tow a 3500 boat with the Subaru to the local boat ramp where I fish. I would NOT use it to tow to Fort Myers or the Keys on a regular baises(150+ miles each way)
 

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Did anyone else notice in that article:<br /><br />"don't be intimidated by this Legacy's high-20s sticker. The same engine and all-wheel-drive system can be found in other models priced in the low 20s "<br /><br />For the High 20's you can buy almost any truck with a V8 & Tow package...sure it won't have leather and all the trimmings, but you won't have to replace the tranny in 2 years either, for the low 20's you can still get a pretty decent new/used truck.
 

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I used to own a 4Runner and a Honda Accord. Both were 5 speeds. The 4runner was used exclusively to run up to the cottage every weekend and the Accord was for daily use. I'm a consultant so wanted something decent on gas as I'm on the road a fair bit. Well, I'm only 34 but require a hip replacement for old injuries and in currently waiting 6 months for surgery, I could no longer drive a 5 speed. So I decided to look for 1 car that could do it all. Here was my search criteria:<br /><br />At least 25 mpg<br />Tow 2000 lbs.<br />Sunroof<br />4 wheel drive for winter conditions.<br /><br />The only vehicle I found was the Subaru Outback. No other vehicle meets these requirements. I understand all the safety requirements but the purpose of the vehicle is to tow the boat once to the cottage and put in/pull out once a year. The boat I'm looking will weigh 2000 lbs. If I need boat servicing, the dealer is 5 miles down the road and I can even do a water drop off.<br /><br />On another note, my Dad in the '70s owned a Renault 12 wagon. We towed a 1600 lbs pop up to the east coast of Canada (about 2000 miles round trip) with no problems, safety or otherwise. We also towed that trailer at lease 2000 miles per summer on weekend trips.<br /><br />My other comment is that I cannot justify owning an SUV that gets horrible gas mileage, pollutes our fishing waters so that I can tow a boat once a year. I tend to drive japanese vehicle because they last. My 18 month old 30K mile mustang blew a fuel pump in Florida for sping break when I was a teenager and it died a rapid death at the 100K mark. My 4runner had close to 200K miles on it when I traded it in and it ran like a clock and in 10 years of ownership I don't think I spent $3500 on repairs/maintance. That includes tires and oil changes.<br /><br />When I purchase a vehicle, I maintain it very well, I don't abuse it. From an environmental perspective (no I'm not a tree hugger; I just enjoy being outside) I think a car that can last 10 years and look and run great is as important as a car that gets good mileage. The Outback does both. Check out this website: http://hometown.aol.com/nv1z/subaruhighmileage.html <br /><br />I'm not trying to push subarus but I also don't want to have a truck that pollutes our waters by gas consumption or longevity either. <br /><br />Sorry for the long post but that's why I purchased a Subaru.
 

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I think you'll be alright, it sounds like you will take it easy, and you are only doing what you are doing twice in a year, thats not too punishing. If you were hauling the boat in and out every weekend like I do, I would be more concerned, but you are only dropping it in the water and hauling it out once. Go for it, take it easy, and you'll be fine. I hauled my old boat with my little Suzuki Sidekick every weekend and it lived, you have more power than I did.<br /><br />I had a Subaru a number of years ago, and it was unstoppable. Had a billion miles on it. Wasn't pretty, but it did the job. I have a pickup now because I am always having to borrow pickups, I always have to haul something, and as far as fuel consumption, I drive about 3000 miles in a year, so I can afford to have something that only gets 14-18 mpg.<br /><br />Is there a proper launch ramp anywhere near your place that you could drop the boat in and cruise it to the house? It would be easier on the vehicle if it had concrete to drive on, less chance of getting in trouble with a boat/trailer attached. Good Luck....
 

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Steam_mill,<br /><br />Probably OK with the Subaru pulling the boat from the dealer - as long as you take it easy. No quick starts and only slow braking (& leave plenty of space in front of you when stopping. <br /><br />I have to agree with JasonJ, that you should look for a "real" launch ramp for your annual pullout. I have a buddy that has tried to launch a PWC into Lake Erie on a similiar beach area. The slope, once in the water, got very shallow and he had to back quite far into the lake to get the trailer deep enough. All four vehicle tires were in the water.<br /><br />He almost lost his 4-wheel drive Jeep Grand Cherokee when the wheels began to slip (and dig holes) during recovery. We had aready looked up the phone number for a tow truck, when he finally rocked it out with two fellows pushing.<br /><br />That was the last time he used the beach to launch or recover the PWC. Your boat will be at least two or three times weight & problem - see if you can get to a "real" ramp.<br /><br />Enjoy your new boat.<br /><br />erie_guy
 

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There are actually 2 boat ramps. The concrete one (government) is very, very steep. The private one, is dirt and a very gentle slope. My personal unimproved ramp, is grass with a gentle slope. I tried last year to pull my current boat (about 1500lbs.) with my accord. I would have pulled it out but I did it first thing in the morning and the grass was wet. In addition, there was a bump in the dirt that I have since removed. <br /><br />I really don't think I will have a problem either. On another note, I have the exact same problem about a pickup truck. Well what I did is I bought a 4X8 utility trailer(about the same size as a small pickup truck) that can take 1600lbs in load (GVWR 2K). The tailgate becomes a ramp, the bed tilts, and the front panel comes off to load up to 12 foot lengths. Cost 900 Canadaian about 600 us.
 

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Erie_guy,<br /><br />I understand your concern but where I launch, by back tires in my old 4runner were probably only in about 3 inches of water so I don't have to go that far out.<br /><br />Joe
 

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Well here is the update on the Subaru.<br /><br />After my THR, I purchased a new boat the first weekend in August. Picked it up with the Subaru and towed it 40 miles back to the cottage. Went to a neighbours property so he could launch it. Subaru Outback towed it with no problems.<br /><br />Weight of boat + trailer + motor = 2000 lbs. Gas and accessories probably another 200 lbs.<br /><br />Well, this weekend was time to retire the boat for the season. I did not go to the ramp and just backed the trailer on my shore line. It is a little bumpy and not very steep.<br /><br />Floated the boat onto the trailer ( I don't believe in winching) and got into the subaru and put it in 1 st gear (Low, auto tranny).<br /><br />I touched the gas (no more than 2000 rpms) and out came the boat. No slipping or sliding.<br /><br />I won't say that this much bigger boat came out as easily as with my 4runner and a smaller boat but it was no more difficult.<br /><br />Very happy with the performance and economy of the Subaru!!!
 

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Glad it worked out for you. As long as you don't use the gas pedal like an on/off switch, and are gentle with it and anticipate stops and avoid the morons on the road, you should be able to do what you are doing for plenty of years.....
 

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During the off season, when you have some spare time waiting for the new hip, I'd contact Subaru or a good dealer and get their opinion. They may be able to add a tranny cooler, oil cooler or beefy breaks to make your safety margin larger. We burnt out the tranny on an F150 pulling a load right around its rated capacity.
 

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No doubt the Subaru will do fine for the limited amount of towing you will do. If you don't want to pollute any more than possible, walk or row.<br />Don't blame my SUV.
 
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