Trim not working - help please

bay Cruise

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Is it possible for someone to please explain the switches for the trim on a mercruiser 3.0 stern drive. Mine worked going down but only ever worked up when double pushing the switch for the trailer lift. Now for some reason it has completely stopped working - press the button and nothing not even a sound. I do have electrical knowledge but just need to know where the limit switches are and how they work so I can check. Unfortunately I am new to boating and don?t have a workshop manual yet. Any help would be apprieciated.
 

JupiterJoe

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Re: Trim not working - help please

On the trim pump you have two silinoids one for up and one for down . your up one is probaly bad or the trim switch in the handle could also be going bad. if thats the case replace it with a momentary on off on switch.
 

bay Cruise

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Thanks, where are the solenoids and are there limit switches inside the plastic round covers on each side of the stern one saying trim limit port and the other saying trim sender starboard. What?s in there ?
 

brhodes

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Re: Trim not working - help please

I am no expert, but the problem you had first is pretty common. When the trim limit sensor/wires go bad, the only way to get the drive to go up is to use the trailer function. Many people, if they have this problem, just live with it because replacing the trim limit sender/trim position sender wires are a PITA. I can't offer much insight to the current issue you are having with a completely non-functioning trim pump. A search of this forum would probably yield alot of info. Good luck.
 

series60

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Is it possible for someone to please explain the switches for the trim on a mercruiser 3.0 stern drive. Mine worked going down but only ever worked up when double pushing the switch for the trailer lift. Now for some reason it has completely stopped working - press the button and nothing not even a sound. I do have electrical knowledge but just need to know where the limit switches are and how they work so I can check. Unfortunately I am new to boating and don?t have a workshop manual yet. Any help would be apprieciated.

If you have the proper sterndrive manual, there is a complete electrical check in there. If you don't have a manual you can download one here in the Adults Only section. It gives you step by step instructions for testing all the electrical circuits in the system both in the boat and if the pump is removed, then out of the boat. You will need to ID the pump manufacture (Oil-Dyne or Presto-Lite pump) so you can preform the right checks for the right pump.
 

Don S

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Re: Trim not working - help please

you can download one here in the Adults Only section

Those went away in July.

Bay Cruise, you are going to have to post a year or better yet a serial number of your drive. There have been many different changes over the years.
 

bay Cruise

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Thanks and will get the serial numbers but it?s a 2004 model alpha 1. I have read somewhere that you can clean the limit and sender switches. Is this right because the wiring looks ok and before I go and change them if they are faulty I thought I might clean the switches first, surprised you can clean these as I assumed they would be sealed units. Anyway if you can how do you do it, is it just a mater of taking the sender and limit switches off the side of the drive and looking inside. Going to check the wiring first so cleaning the switches is the next step if I dont find anything.
 

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Since you have an 04 model, you have an Alpha I Gen II outdrive, that is what has been used since 91 to now.
Here is a link to the downloadable manual http://www.4shared.com/document/dPQUcyn_/Service_Manual_14.html

Section 1C covers troubleshooting the trim system. It could be your limit switch is fine, just out of adjustment, and you may have a bad wire or solenoid. Do the tests to check things out first.
 

bay Cruise

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Thanks Don that manual is great. Will check out wiring later today or tomorrow when time allows and will report back ? personally I think it?s the wiring or a dodgy connector because it only started after I replaced the fan belt and put new bolts on the alternator, think I knocked something. On another note any idea why I dont get email alerts when a new post is made on my thread. I have edited my profile to ask for immediate email alerts and have also tried subscribing to the thread but still no emails.
 

bay Cruise

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Well I started to check the wiring by the solenoids, hydraulic pump and motor and it started working again so obviously a loose connection. However I could not find a corroded lead or loose connector. Just about to pack up and accidentally caught my lamp on the positive cable of the battery and guess what the trim stopped working again, Tightened the connector (wasn?t that loose) and it works again. Doesn?t really make sense because I swear I started the boat during the trim not working but maybe I didn?t !!!!!!!
 

Don S

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Re: Trim not working - help please

The battery cables need regular nuts on them, and to be tightend with a wrench.

wingnut.jpg
 

bay Cruise

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Cheers Don think I will change them as there are wing nuts on there at the mo.
 

Don S

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Cheers Don think I will change them as there are wing nuts on there at the mo.

But then you won't have problems with your trim/tilt, or the future starting problems you were about to have. :p
Where's the fun in that ;) :D
 

ChrisCraftJohnny

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Bay, Here is a post of mine about replacing the trim sender/limit switches. This may be your problem. If it is, it's most likely just the limit switch. But better to replace them both if you are going to do it right. It's not easy.

I just replaced both the Trim Sender and the Trim Limit switch.

Once you get the drive off, the bellhousing and all it's bellows off you can access the retaining plate and two bolts that secure the wires into the transom plate.

Bolt #1 is easy to remove. Use a 7/16" socket with extension. Comes right out.

Bolt #2 is a different story. I was able to remove it only one way. Let me tell you my trials:

1. I thought for sure that a 7/16" GearWrench with a pivoting head would be the ticket. In my automotive experience, these tools can help you in tough, small clearance jobs. I have used them many times with much success.
HOWEVER, there is not enough clearance due to the transom bolt boss that sticks out right next to the 7/16" hex head (naturally). I really think Merc engineers are the botom of their class.

2. The only way that I have read that "Merc Mechanics" get these out is by bending a 7/16" combination wrench. So what I did was to take an old MADE IN USA combination wrench, and when I say MADE IN USA I mean a wrench that was made between 1960 & 1985 by a no-name company that your Grandad or Dad purchased and now you have about five or six of these oddball wrench's in your combo wrench drawer. For those who do not have this luck, you will have to buy a 7/16" regular everyday combo wrench and sacrifice it. I first placed the box end of the wrench on the bolt. Almost, but not quite enough clearance. So I heated up the wrench with the box en in the vise until dul red (MAP torch for 2 min or so) and took my trusy hammer and bent the offset back just a bit. Do not try to get it all at once. Too much offset and the wrench will just roll off the bolt head. Went back to the boat and tried the fit. Not enough, but closer. Did this three times until the wrench was a perfect fit. Then you must hold the box end of the wrench on the head of the bolt with your left fingers and try to sweep the bottom of the wrench to the right. The wrench because of it's heavier offset will want to roll off the hex. Just keep the pressure on with your left hand and the bolt will give. Then just work it out a bit of a time. It sucks, but it can be done.

When installing the new switches, line up the two white wedges and clip on the retainer. Keep the wedges lined up straight when installing them. Take some of the perfect seal and place it on the threads of one of the bolts. Bolt down the easy bolt almost all the way home.

Now comes another hard part. If you thought removing that upper bolt was tough, putting it back in is worse. What I did was I started the bolt into the hole. A tough job in itself. Now, the threads have not started yet. Hold the bolt with your right fingers in place. Bring up the box end with your left hand and get the wrench over the hex and switch it to your right hand. Then with your left hand bring up a small allen wrench to hold against the face of the bolt. This will give you the inward pressure you will need to drive the bolt in. Hold the allen wrench against the head and turn the box end wrench until the threads catch. Once they catch, go nice and easy with many breaks inbetween until that sucker is down.

That's it. Another fun Mercruiser project.....NOT.

Johnny
 

bay Cruise

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Re: Trim not working - help please

Thanks for the info very helpful for when I have to change them, however I now recon its the connector but obviously have a faulty limit switch as it only goes up on the trailer switch but will probably not replace it for just that as loads of people say this is common and live with using only the trailer up switch.
 

dn010

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Re: Trim not working - help please

I must say I had an easy time removing both of these bolts. The wires to both my trim sender and limit switch had basically turned to dust so I replaced them. Here is what I did:

I used a 1/4" socket set, a 5" or 6" (or so) 1/4" extension, universal joint (pivot head) and of course the 7/16 socket (NOT a deep socket). I had the drive lowered all the way, and I disconnected the steering so I could push the drive to the extreme left (viewed as standing looking at the stern of the boat). The socket slipped a few times when trying to tighten the inner most (2nd) bolt but still wasn't too bad. I did have to put a cut piece of paper in the bottom of the socket to keep the head of the bolt near the end of the socket instead of deeper... The outer most bolt didn't require any kind of tricks to get out or in.

Bolt #1 is easy to remove. Use a 7/16" socket with extension. Comes right out.

Bolt #2 is a different story. I was able to remove it only one way. Let me tell you my trials:
 
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