Trim solenoids go 'click'

achris

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I've read a few threads where people are being left stranded when a solenoid on the trim system stops conducting. It can be embarrassing when you can't get the stern drive unit down after launching, or a serious problem if you can't get it up high enough to be safe to trail... I've had it happen to me with my old engine, a couple of times. All I did was drop a screwdriver across the terminals and the trim motor ran the way I wanted it to... But I have had to talk people through, on a mobile phone, who have as much understanding of electricity as an amoeba... Not something you really want to be doing at 6am :facepalm:

So I have come up with a workable solution... It involves a little work up front, but could be a life-saver at the time you need it... I've added a 3 terminal switch to the trim pump bracket, which powers the trim motor without using the solenoids...

On the standard trim pump mounting bracket there is a hole of just the right size, and in just the right position... I put a 20A momentary switch (ON)-OFF-(ON) in there, and ran the wires up behind the pump motor, a red wire from the positive bus (between the 2 solenoids) to the centre position on the switch, and a green and a blue from the post on the solenoids that each go to the motor. Pushing the switch up runs the drive UP, and down runs it DOWN, bypassing the solenoids.... Should the time come when I get the dreaded 'click', 'click' from the solenoids, I have the emergency bypass in place... I used the same size wire as the motor wires, 6mm, and as the runs are short, less than 300mm, the wires don't get hot....

Here's a photo of the setup on the bracket....

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Oshkosh1

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Now that's a solution I can appreciate. Simple, effective and best of all...makes sense. Thanks Chris!
 

rickasbury

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Great idea, but, now that I have read it, I feel like if I don't do it, the next boat trip mine will fail for sure...thanks for another project to do!
 

H20Rat

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Should come factory like that!

My only suggestion would be to use 2 sealed momentary push-button switches instead of a single 3 position switch. A non-sealed 3 position like that will eventually fail/corrode and could internally short out, which might end up causing a failure later. 2 sealed independent momentary push button switches can't do that, if they fail, the system keeps working.
 

achris

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That switch is sealed. It has a rubber boot over the lever and I sealed the back with liquid neoprene.
 

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That switch is sealed. It has a rubber boot over the lever and I sealed the back with liquid neoprene.

Ayuh,...... I've wired several trim switches like you've done in yer diagram,.....

My trim switch on the helm is a toggle under the plastic, that looks like a signal light switch in a car,.....
Another at the transom saves havin' to crawl up into the boat to reach the trim switch on the helm,.....
'ell,.... you could mount trim switches all over the boat if ya want too,..... no limit to how many,.....
 

achris

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Another at the transom saves havin' to crawl up into the boat to reach the trim switch on the helm,......

Yep, got that one too. :D


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isaksp00

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OK, I am new to these inboards with I/O. I assume the momentary trim switch on the throttle handle simply closes a 12V circuit to one or the other solenoid as pictured, which then feeds higher amp current from the battery to one of two pump motors for the trim - if these have two separate motors; maybe it is a single motor that has different leads for which direction? So if you wire in a normally open-circuit switch (or many of them) in parallel and close the circuit on any one, that provides power directly to the motor controlled by that solenoid? Or for that matter, jump the contacts on the solenoid itself. If you have a transom mounted switch like in post #10, why couldn't that be used in place of the toggle? Or does that transom switch only provide current to power the magnet in the solenoid?
 

achris

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Yes, transom mounted switch powers the solenoid. It's not direct.
 

achris

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Nothing like a good set of 10 gauge jumper leads too....

:facepalm:

My trim pump is up under a wide transom deck.. The solenoids have a cover over them. What you suggest is impractical. That's why I did what I did. And I posted here to help other people in similar situations.

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isaksp00

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I think I will add this - do you recall where you got that switch, Chris? I found a few 3 way momentary switches on Amazon that even have a black panel that says Up and Down, but I think they were 15 amp. If I got it right, the fuse in there is 20 A so maybe that switch would be a bit of a risk.
 

achris

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I think I will add this - do you recall where you got that switch, Chris? I found a few 3 way momentary switches on Amazon that even have a black panel that says Up and Down, but I think they were 15 amp. If I got it right, the fuse in there is 20 A so maybe that switch would be a bit of a risk.

As you'll typically only be using the switch for a few seconds, 15A is fine. The 20A fuse is for power to the dash trim control buttons, and any others that use the solenoids, like my (and Bondo's) transom mounted switches.

If you're looking for exactly what I used.... -> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/EE-s...3e154c4ddCXXDi

I use these because they come with the water-proof boot for the lever. Just be aware that they are a lot of 3 switches. I wanted 4 (as I have other boats I'll be doing this to), so ordered 4... I received 12 switches... Friends come over, I offer them a switch as a parting gift.... :D

Chris.......
 

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My trim pump is up under a wide transom deck.. The solenoids have a cover over them. What you suggest is impractical. That's why I did what I did. And I posted here to help other people in similar situations.

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Not saying that it is not a good fix. Just saying that I have jumped many via made up jumper clips. I always have spares and a good multimeter. LOL
 

achris

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Not saying that it is not a good fix. Just saying that I have jumped many via made up jumper clips. I always have spares and a good multimeter. LOL

And a good knowledge of electrics. These switches will be in place in boats who's owners are not as good with electrics... Or for people who don't want to be messing with jumpers and solenoid covers in the 'heat of the moment'...

Chris......
 

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On my Crownline, I keep stuff in a square bucket in the storage space in front of where that pump assembly is. I am wondering if that could get pushed up against the toggle and activate it - is this an issue for you?
 
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