Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

pecheux

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Just curious Own 2 OB's 1987 Force 15 hp, the other 1981 Johnson 9.9 hp. After usage or storage there is always oil dripping from the exhaust from the 9.9 (about 3 inch floor thick stain) and NEVER from the Force motor (exhaust port dry). Both are using 50:1 mix with synthetic oil, and I dont run out gas after usage. Could this mean the 15 hp Force would need a richer oil mix (like 40:1) to have same lubrification ? Again I am asking for knowledge base ... both OB's have been running fine for years. Tx for your feedback.
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

from whaat i read on here i think its normal to have a lil bit ...especially if u run at low rpms ...
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

from whaat i read on here i think its normal to have a lil bit ...especially if u run at low rpms ...
Tx, but actualy I am more concerned with feedback regarding the possible reasons why the 15 hp has absolutly no oil dripping at all.
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

Perhaps the Johnson is running a bit richer on the air/fuel mixture?
Or the Force is running a bit too lean.


50:1 is plenty of oil.

Even 70:1 would probably be ok.

When Johnson experimented with 100:1 back in the mid 80's, the engines were fine, except there was not enough oil residue for long term corrosion protection.

So, if you are concerned, I would richen up the air/fuel mixture on the Force Carb.
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

Rosco: Thanks for your feedback. Did richen up the air/fuel mixture on the Force Carb (1/8 turn +) last summer and it turned out smoking more and running rough (or choked up) when idling. I do use my OB's for trolling so they both run WOT to get there, and then idling for hours or so. Would using hotter plugs change anything ? Regards
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

The Johnson has a thru- hub exhaust prop. The Force has an exhaust snout. This means that exhaust and unburned oul from the Johnson powerhead collect in the lower unit AT the prop and when not running will drip out between the prop and gearcase. The Force on the other hand collects oil higher in the lower unit and it must have a bigger pool of unburned oil in order to drip some out the exhaust snout.

It has nothing to do with the oil requirements of the engine. It has everything to do with the design of the lower unit.
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

Accidently doubled up ... I musta turned left at Alberquerque ... LOL
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

Thank you Frank, Will double check when I run them in a tank soon enough and check oil residue around the barrel. You being the expert on Chrysler and Force OB's may I ask: It did cross my mind to use more oil with the Force .... like 40:1 or 45:1 thinking it would be better lub for those being old fashion technologie. (read that somewhere) In your opinion would that be a good move or useless ? Tx
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

Run it 50:1 - it ain't THAT old fashioned...
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

My 9.9 Evinrude was bought brand new and after breaking it in it was put on as a kicker. It is used for trolling - usually 5-6 hours at a time. At the end, I "blow it out" at WOT for 5 minutes or so.

The first 2 years I had a lot of plug fouling, plus the dripping like you described. Back then I used to "blow it out" every hour or so, as well as at the end of the day.

The 3rd year I switched to Split Fire plugs and it completely eliminated the oil drip and fouling. That was 27 years ago. My plugs run perfectly clean now and I can run non-stop for 5 hours.

With that experience I switched to Split Fires in another motor, plus my I/O as well. Never saw any difference there, so I switched back. But the Rude 9.9 sure loves them!
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

hmm i used egk over champion maybe ill try split fires not sure how these r gnna last but well c supposedly its a good hot plug ,ne thoughts ????
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

My 9.9 Evinrude was bought brand new and after breaking it in it was put on as a kicker. It is used for trolling - usually 5-6 hours at a time. At the end, I "blow it out" at WOT for 5 minutes or so.

The first 2 years I had a lot of plug fouling, plus the dripping like you described. Back then I used to "blow it out" every hour or so, as well as at the end of the day.

The 3rd year I switched to Split Fire plugs and it completely eliminated the oil drip and fouling. That was 27 years ago. My plugs run perfectly clean now and I can run non-stop for 5 hours.

With that experience I switched to Split Fires in another motor, plus my I/O as well. Never saw any difference there, so I switched back. But the Rude 9.9 sure loves them!
Hi, tx for your infos. Actualy my 9.9 hp Johnson does not gime me that sort of problem ... but the 15 hp Force does when I ajust richer.
Cheers
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

I am also considering using the green G-Oil since I read makes OB's run a hint hotter, that would perhaps solve the rough idling with the Force when adjusted richer. Just a thought ... Cheers y'awl (Now y'awl know this Canuck has been down south for a while ...LOL)
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

hmm i used egk over champion maybe ill try split fires not sure how these r gnna last but well c supposedly its a good hot plug ,ne thoughts ????

Buy the SF that cross references to the Champion that your motor calls for.

I used to change plugs annually, but now I get a good 5 years out of the SFs.

Lots of people dice the SFs as being snake oil. Maybe its true, but for me it literally was night and day.
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

Hi, tx for your infos. Actualy my 9.9 hp Johnson does not gime me that sort of problem ... but the 15 hp Force does when I ajust richer.
Cheers

???

Your #1 post said that the 9.9 was the oil dripper.

I've always "adjusted" for best running and performance. Making it richer is sure to cause oil fowling in a 2-stroke, with a degradation in performance.
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

Too many variables to say exactly why one oozes goo and the other doesn't unless we know much more.

If the 9.9 runs colder, bad thermostat, no thermostat, used for trolling all the time, floats set higher, low speed adjustment on the rich side, colder plugs, different load/wrong prop, etc, it may be much more likely to drip.

All my kickers drip to a certain extent depending the oil I use, and how they get used. The main motor never drips and they run the same fuel.
The main motor runs at higher RPMs almost the entire time and at full operating temperature, never trolling at an idle, the kicker is at almost at an Idle for many hours on end.

The goo is from exhaust and water combining in the mid section and sticking to the housing, when water and oil mix the combination becomes more viscous and sticks inside the housing. This happens more at low RPMs when the exhaust and cooling water is colder, at higher RPMs there is less water in the housing, plus it's hotter and being forced out much faster. There is also less unburned fuel in the mix.
As the water evaporates out of the housing over time, the viscosity of the mix drops and the unburned fuel begins to drip out, it will also change color, back to a darker fuel and oil look.

As for plugs, hotter ones typically help to keep the temp up which results in better combustion and less goo, good for low speeds, but not so much for high RPMs. Whether one brand does better than another is sort of hard to determine, companies have heat ranges for each plug, they don’t necessarily match up closely with another brand, so one brand may say this is the plug to use because it’s the closest one they have for what came stock in that motor. It could be slightly colder or hotter and you don’t really know unless you actually test it yourself, which isn’t something most people are going to do. So when someone says I switched to XXXX brand plug and it worked better or worse, it may just mean that the heat range was or wasn’t right for how they used the motor. Simply going up or down one range may have that brand work great, or not at all.

Big companies tend to have many more plugs and they can be closer in temp, so fine tuning can be easier. Smaller companies, with supposedly high performance plugs tend to have fewer options, so one plug needs to cover a wider range of temps and motors. If the specialty plug for your motor is slightly hotter than stock then it may run a little cleaner at low speeds, resulting in less goo. Sometimes the stock plugs are slightly on the cold side, thinking it’s better to error slightly on the cold side than hot, so if you use it for trolling you may need to go one range hotter for best performance.
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

???

Your #1 post said that the 9.9 was the oil dripper.

I've always "adjusted" for best running and performance. Making it richer is sure to cause oil fowling in a 2-stroke, with a degradation in performance.
My reference was to Jims123 regarding plug fouling which occurs with the 15 hp when ajusted a hint rich. Yes the dripper is the 9.9 Regards
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

Andarvr: thank you. Your explanation + Frank's would lead me to beleve the longer shaft on the Johnson could explain why more goo in comprarison to the Force that has exhaust halfway down the LU. Thank you all,
 

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Re: Two OB's One drips oil from exhaust after usage the other is dry, why ?

The Johnson has a thru- hub exhaust prop. The Force has an exhaust snout. This means that exhaust and unburned oul from the Johnson powerhead collect in the lower unit AT the prop and when not running will drip out between the prop and gearcase. The Force on the other hand collects oil higher in the lower unit and it must have a bigger pool of unburned oil in order to drip some out the exhaust snout.

It has nothing to do with the oil requirements of the engine. It has everything to do with the design of the lower unit.

There's your answer. Assuming both engines are running correctly.
 
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