Upgrading a 5.7 mercruiser

TsiMiata

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Hello all this is my first post so take it easy on me. First some background- I am actually posting trying to help a friend with his 37' Rinker. It has twin 5.7 mercruiser engines. I believe they are late 90's vintage but I'm unsure at this point. The boat is just plain under powered. It takes all the engines have got to get it up on plane. A lot of times it just wont go on plane. We've tried some different prop combos with some improvement but we're still not there.<br /><br />After looking over the engines there looks to be lots of room for improvement in the power department. These engines have multi port injection with a god awful throttle body setup and a converted carb intake manifold. being a car guy I just about laughed at the setup.<br /><br /> This is where I need some advice from you all. How similar are the mercruiser engines to chevy's run of the mill V-8's? I know nothing of boats but worlds about cars. <br /><br />My first thought was to swap to a Camaro V-8 intake manifold and throttle body. They are a much better design. They have much larger throttle bodies and intake runners along with a better intake runner/plenum arrangement. I think that should give us a little more top end power. maybe not as much as we need but it should be noticeable. Beyond that maybe put on some aftermarket aluminum heads and a performance cam. The intake manifold swap is a fairly easy job and on the cheap side. That makes us want to attack that part of the job first.<br /><br />I am very open to opinions on this.<br /><br />BTW- I assume that marine engines horsepower must be rated differently than car engines? These engines are rated at 300hp. I know there is no way that with the parts currently on the engines they can produce that kind of power. A quick bit of math shows the throttle body bores are not big enough to support that kind of power.
 

crazy charlie

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Re: Upgrading a 5.7 mercruiser

All the tweeking in the world aint gonna give you what you need.A little more horsepower wont help,what he needs is torque.And the torque he needs is from 7.4 big blocks.Unless he wants to spend a fortune on repowering,tell him to get stingrays if he has drives,get larger "working" props,and keep his water tank level low and holding tank empty and store his gear in the front berth.Charlie
 

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hello<br /> a boat that size without 7.4's or 8.1's just wont go. the 5.7's are rated 300 HP at the prop at the max RPM about 4800 or so. they will make the power buts it like the boat is always in a tractor pull. the load does not let up.you made no posting about type of drives or max rpm. also most of those big rinkers and bayliners are so over propped its not funny. and overpropping can waste valvetrains. check the engine mechanicals to insure they can both make power. good luck and keep posting<br /> and PS please forget everything you ever learned about cars and learn about boats. make no comparisons between the two. the camero engine wont last 2 hours at full throotle full load :)
 

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I can describe the kind of drive. Hopefully I dont sound to bad trying. I know it is not an I/O drive. There are two large stainless shafts with carrier bearings. the props are attached to those, obviously. You'll have to excuse my ignorance. I just don't know the proper name for that kind of setup.<br /><br />I'm not sure of the prop pitch/size at this very moment. Nothing a phone call later tonight can't solve.<br /><br />We talked about swapping the engines but the labor involved is pricey. The yard quoted $3-$4k for the swap never mind the new engine costs. I know we'd like to keep the budget under $10k. That may not be reasonable though.<br /><br />We have also thought about some of the supercharger kits available. That would solve the problem of getting more torque down low. I'd expect a 40% increase in torque would be easy to come by. This also keeps us under the $10k mark since we can do the labor ourselves. Any thoughts on these?<br /><br />As far as the camaro engine goes I'm not looking to use one. It's just that the manifold is light years ahead of what comes on the mercruiser. If torque is the issue thats not going to help us. More flow is only going to give us HP and in the upper rpm's.
 

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hello<br /> its got to be able to turn at least 4500 on the wide oprn throttle. most MPI engines turn 46 to 4800. what kind of RPM will these engines turn at WOT. I would be hesitant to tell you to use supercharging as the compression ratio and head gaskets and exhaust valves wont t5ake it for very long. the merc uses a truck version of the MPI and TBI. is this mptor multi port or throttle body injected? I thought I read it was MPI. some TBI's used a modified hi-rise carb intake the MPI was a dedicated MPI intake. good luck and keep posting
 

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The intake manifold on it is a basic low rise carb intake manifold with holes in it for eight individual injectors. The throttle body has 4 tiny throttle plates in it. The throttle body looks almost like a 4 barrel carb.
 

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What's the boat displacement (weight with fuel, water)? What is the beam dimension? Is the boat an express cruiser (no flybridge)? Are the engines mounted backwards or forwards in the compartment? Being pretty new, Rinker should have the performance specs for the boat. Probably most of them were built with 454's but hopefully they have the specs with the 350's too. What speed are you at when it planes? What is max RPM? If the boat gross weight is 14,000 or less, the 350's with the right props should put it on plane without pushing it to the limit. My boat weighs 14,000 gross, has essentially the same engines as your friends (310 HP GM vortecs with a better intake manifold and carbs) and I can get it on plane at 2800-2900 rpm's with a top end of 31knots at 4600 rpm (on perfect water). My boat is 33 1/2 feet with a 12 foot beam.
 

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I've got some new info. on the props. I hope this makes sense to you all. The current props are 3 blade 18" diameter with an 18 pitch. The original props were 18" diameter with a 20 pitch.<br /><br />I'm not sure of speed but the engines max at 4,000rpm. You can apply more throttle but nothing happens.<br /><br />I also messed up the boat make :rolleyes: It is a Silverton. He had a Rinker before this, so I still had rinker on the brain.<br /><br />The engine are mounted in a normal north/south orientation. Just as would be in a car, water pump towards the front.<br /><br />Here are the specs I was able to find online-<br />Length Overall: 40' 1"<br />Draft: 3 Ft. 3 in.<br />Beam: 13 Ft. 0 in.<br />Fuel Tank Capacity: 286 Gallons<br />Water Tank Capacity: 100 Gallons<br />Holding Tank Capacity: 50 Gallons<br /><br />The weight is just under 20,000lbs I believe<br /><br />The more info I get the more I get the feeling that the current engines won't be up to the job no matter what.
 

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I concur with everyone else, it's under powered. It sounds like the boat is a full sedan flybridge rather than a lighter Rinker express.
 

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Re: Upgrading a 5.7 mercruiser

Have a 34’ searay sundancer with twin 454’s rated at 340HP each. Don’t think I’m over powered at all. Boat weight is about 12,000 MT. Not the cheapest thing to run.
 

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tell your friend to make believe he bought a Trawler and he should be fine.
 

crazy charlie

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tell your friend to make believe he bought a Trawler and he should be fine.
 

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Re: Upgrading a 5.7 mercruiser

A Ship like that Deserves Diesel Power.......<br /><br />Torque,+ Economy......<br /><br />If you stick with SBCs, You Could build a couple 383cid motors...... <br />Then add Blowers.....
 

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If you really want to learn about GM marine engines and how to gain HP, purchase or steal the book "Small Block Chevy Marine Performance" by the GOD of GM marine engines, Dennis Moore, and read it 3x cover to cover. <br /><br />As for your idea of swapping out manifolds, TB's, etc....it's a whole lot quicker and cheaper in the long run to drop in 2 crate ZZ4's (change out the freeze plugs and head gaskets, reuse the old distributors and circ pumps) and go with it.
 

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Just made a long post to this thread & lost my connection when I tried to post it...not going to repeat all of it but...forget what you know about auto mechanics...it will only cause you problems. Yes, it IS a 350 Chevy...but what is required to make a car go fast is not the same thing as making a boat get up on plane.<br /><br />The 383 Stroker is a legitimate idea. For those who are not familiar with this engine modification it is, I believe, a 350 block, bored .040 over (?) with a crankshaft out of a 400 Chevy. Some machine work will be required to make the connecting rods clear the block because of the increased stroke.<br /><br />A couple of other things could be causing you problems. Is the bottom clean? Does the boat have trim tabs? Either can make a huge difference.<br /><br />Lastly, where can you get a copy of the book mentioned above by Dennis Moore?<br /><br />Good luck with your project!
 

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"Lastly, where can you get a copy of the book mentioned above by Dennis Moore?" <br /><br />amazon.com is where I got Mine....
 

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TsiMiata,<br /><br />I am Thomas and I work for Bennett Marine in the Client Service Department.<br /><br />I can't really help you much with your engine upgrade, but we have been supplying Silverton with trim tab systems for quite a few years now. Maybe your friend should look at the size of trim tabs he has installed to see if he can increase the overall size of them. Most likely he will be able to do this, which will help improve his hole shot and get the vessel on plane quicker. Depending his current trim tab system, he may be able to do this with very little refit and just replace the Trim Plane Assemblies. Please have him take a look at the system or contact Silverton directly and get THEIR TRIM TAB KIT PART NUMBER that was installed on the vessel. With this information, I will be able to pull up the kit and see what we are dealing with. If the vessel is too old and Silverton doesn't have the information on file, then a complete description of the trim tab system would be in order. This is the information I am looking for:<br /><br />1. What is the Span (side-to-side) x Chord (fore-to-aft) measurement of the tab?<br />2. What type of Mounting is used, Transom, Bottom, or Piano Hinge?<br />3. Does it have any Up or Down Fins on the sides? If so, are they bent 90 degrees, less, or more? Also, how tall are they, 1”, 2”, 3”?<br />4. Does it have an up turned Trailing Edge? If so, how tall is it?<br />5. Does it have zincs?<br />6. How many actuators per tab, 1 or more?<br />7. Where does the actuator(s) mount on the tab, on the Trailing Edge, or to a riveted angle about 3” in from the Trailing Edge, or to the face of the tab?<br /><br />The following questions are about the actuators:<br /><br />1. How many raised rings are at the bottom of the 2” cylinder body, 3 or 4?<br />2. How much piston shaft is exposed between the bottom of the 2” cylinder body and the Lower Hinge (foot that attaches to trim tab) when the tab is fully retracted, 1” or none?<br />3. Do you have Tab Gauges or Trimdicators on your trim tab system?<br /><br />I look forward to your findings and quick reply.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />MJ Thomas<br />Bennett Marine, Inc.<br />Client Services<br />trimtabs@earthlink.net<br />www.bennetttrimtabs.com
 

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Is the bottom clean? shouldnt take 600 hp to get on plane.
 

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zz4 engines and wet exhaust don't mix well. reversion. oil and water milkshake. can be done but isn't cheap and easy.
 

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Re: Upgrading a 5.7 mercruiser

This is a lot of boat for 350's but with todays <br />fuel management / injection they make quite a bit of bottom end touqe that we wouldn't have expected<br />15 years ago. You say you can only turn 4K. Well thats where i would start at. I would expect these engines to be able to turn 4400 to 4600 at WOT and cruise and maintain plane around 3400 to 3600. Look really hard at trim tabs (whether they work under load) and bottom status. A dirty bottom will turn a planing hull into a displacement very very quickly. If all that is good start removing prop cup. But don't expect much over 16 knot cruise and 19 knot WOT. Ps expect about 45 gallons an hour to feed the puppy's.
 
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