Used Boat Purchase Advice - TX

RobTX

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Hello all,

I'm close to purchasing my first boat and have one we've been working on for a week or so. Everything was great until some major repair was discovered before sea trial. That was fixed but when we saw the boat the condition was visually underwhelming. So, I would like to get some input as to whether or not I'm looking at the right things or being too picky. I've been around boats my whole life (family owned), so I'm familiar with what it takes to maintain them, the basic lingo, and general good/bad/ugly when it comes to problems. That said, this has the amenities I and my wife want and at a great price, but there's some history on the boat that concerns me.

First, the boat is a 210 Sundeck '98 model. We had it out on the lake for a sea trial, and the performance was great. 45 mph at 5,000 rpms. Great throttle response. No engine noise or growling from the outdrive in turns, acceleration through turns etc. The boat rode well and established plane quickly. Mercruiser/alpha 1 combo. Not a lot of 'clunk' in and out of reverse- could hear it and not 'feel' it. We had it out for about 25 mins and was happy with the performance.

However...I do have concerns regarding how well the boat was cared for and what may be waiting for me if I buy...

1) Boat was serviced only every two years; from comments in the maintenance records I can tell the boat wasn't used very frequently. There was a carb. rebuild and that needed to be redone because of lack of use.

2) I was set to trial the boat and while the marina was cleaning it up, they found that the ujoint bellows was severed. The owner repaired this, and the gimbal bearing was ok; they replaced all three bellows while they were in there.

3) Hull has two dime sized gouges in the fiberglass towards the front of the keel, where it begins to curve upwards; looks like beaching damage. There's also discoloration for about 1-2 feet by 6 in. along one side of the hull below the waterline, towards the front of the boat and near the keel; doesn't look yellowed, but 'whiter' and not as consistent color wise than the rest of the hull.

4) Skeg is chewed up, but still resembles its original shape- edge looks like ripping a piece of paper in half

5) Outside condition of above-waterline fiberglass is pretty bad; dings, scratches, gouges and self-repairs; about 15 in total. Decals are bad. The vinyl has several punctures and one of the speakers doesn't work.

6) While I was 'told' that the boat was winterized regularly, I only see one record that shows a 'de-winterization'

That's all I can see- my next step was going to be a full on buyer's check; especially given the way this boat has been cared for. Boat wasn't loved on at all it seems- or, very minimally.

Based on the items I describe, should I run from this boat?

Am I being too picky?

What else should I look at?

Thanks!
 

southkogs

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Welcome aboard Rob:

It sounds iffy, but that may depend on price and how much you're willing to work on it. If you're looking for a "nice" boat right away without a lot of investment on your part (time and labor after the purchase), you probably want to move on. If you're okay with a "fixer-upper" to save on the purchase price, then you might be okay.

Got any photos?
 

crabby captain john

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Now you know what you can see what is going to pop up later? It seems this boat was used and abused. Maybe not run but you need to steal it as "a great deal" is not good enough.
 

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As a used boat, you can approach this in the same manner I bought and sold used cars many years ago. There are three basic categories to consider when looking at a boat. 1) Exterior, 2) Interior, and 3) Power system. The relationship to buying and selling cars is that I needed two of the three categories to be perfect or good, to consider the vehicle for purchase and resale. Obviously your mechanical ability and thickness of your wallet determines how much work you can do yourself and how much must be done professionally. Since resale may not be an immediate concern, it must still be considered since it is foolish to buy a boat needing repairs and you end up spending time and money which can make the boat more costly than the market. You could buy a nice boat needing nothing and have the same investment. There is nothing wrong with buying a good running fixer-upper but you need to buy it wisely and have the ability to fix many of those things yourself. If you see things that give you the impression the boat was abused, it probably was. Price it accordingly.
 

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Re: Used Boat Purchase Advice - TX

Thanks for the advice, all. I'm not looking for a fixer-upper per se, nor would I expect showroom shine. I'm looking to avoid major problems and to be honest, this boat looked much better in pictures than in person (I'm sure that's often the case). I'm not at all able to make repairs on my own, which is where my concern is really coming from. Don't want my first boat to be a complete lemon. IMG_2259.jpgIMG_2254.jpgIMG_2255.jpgIMG_2251.jpgIMG_2250.jpg
 

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For being a 95 year boat, I cant say the boat was abused, it may have been used well. With the results of your sea test, it sounds like the big stuff was in good running order. I would be checking floors, transom and stringers for rot, then based on what the interior looks like consider an offer that felt good to me. At this age, we can only assume this boat is under $5k (my guess) so you cant expect much more than what you have for this kind of "used" buy. I would also expect to be putting a little love money into any boat of this age, just depends how much you're good with spending.
 

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In a 16 year old boat bumps, scratches and dock rash are common. Some of those pictures you posted are out right damage. Is there an hour meter? That almost looks like a rental boat.

As others have said price is a big factor. Half of what clean ones sell for - maybe that works for you, you can make the repairs as you go.
$1000 less than what clean ones sell for - no thanks, there's plenty of other fish in the sea.
 

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… I'm kinda' where greenbush is, though Cap'n John is pretty good at eyeballin'.

I'm thinking you're not comfortable with the boat regardless, though. And I'd be concerned you wouldn't enjoy the boat if you were constantly concerned about it. You've got to be comfortable with the boat before you're able to enjoy it. You gotta' trust it, and I have a (completely baseless, intuitive guesswork) feeling you'll have a hard time getting to trust this one.

Used boat buyin' is a game where you really want to "wait for your pitch."
 

smoothy003

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Re: Used Boat Purchase Advice - TX

I agree with Capt. John, the last three pics would be a deal breaker for me. Lotta abuse for a boat that was "seldom used", and a repair that looks like my 7 year old did it.

I would keep looking, this time of year (at least up where I am in Oregon), there are lots of boats that come on the market for people who don't want to have their boat for another season.

Get the boat you want with the least amount of problems, the boat that makes you excited when you see it, that you won't be able to stop yourself from buying.
 

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^^^^
My first thought when looking at the pics was "rental".

Get it for an incredibly good price or let it go. Since the drive train seemed ok you have something to work with. Make sure the floor is solid and stringers are completely solid. If there is even a hint of a soft spot no price will be good enough for that one.
 

RobTX

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Re: Used Boat Purchase Advice - TX

Hello all, thanks for the advice.

First, for southkogs- you're dead on. The excitement just isn't there for me and that has to do with the underwhelming condition of the boat and the concern I have that a 'less than loved' craft is going to have major issues.

I appreciate the comments that the boat looks like a rental- it really does. My first reaction upon seeing it was disappointment and a bit of embarrassment for the owner. I know a '98 will have scratches but this was a bit much. I didn't mention that the vinyl had gouges, but considering the post earlier- the inside and outside are pretty bad, so I'm really not working with two out of three in 'good condition'.

Unfortunately, the owner isn't willing to move much on price and it's not around the $5k suggested- he's much more than that. The owner even wanted me to split the rather large bill the fix the bellows after not having serviced the boat in two years. To me, that said a lot too.

I think I'm going to walk on this one- thanks all for helping me out. Kinda feel like I'm dodging a bullet.
 

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Buying a boat you're not in love with, for more than it seems to be worth, and with a number of obvious repairs in your future all add up to an unhappy boat-owning experience. Good choice to walk, I think.
 

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Just take your time and you'll find something out there.

Also, don't fall to much in love with the looks. I messed up and bought a 1992 Crownline that looked amazing inside and pretty darn good outside. I replace the floor and stringers over the last year (horrible/expensive/time consuming project).

Whatever you find check the entire boat from top to bottom and pay a pro for an inspection. If the inspection costs you $400 and they find something, you just saved potentially thousands. If they say it's in great shape then you just paid $400 for peace of mind about your purchase.
 

RobTX

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Re: Used Boat Purchase Advice - TX

Just take your time and you'll find something out there.

Also, don't fall to much in love with the looks. I messed up and bought a 1992 Crownline that looked amazing inside and pretty darn good outside. I replace the floor and stringers over the last year (horrible/expensive/time consuming project).

Whatever you find check the entire boat from top to bottom and pay a pro for an inspection. If the inspection costs you $400 and they find something, you just saved potentially thousands. If they say it's in great shape then you just paid $400 for peace of mind about your purchase.

Great tip- I planned on either a marine survey or have a dealership not connected with the sale take a look. To that point, which in your opinion is better- a marine surveyor or a dealership that knows the make/model of the boat? Impartiality is key, but would you feel more or less comfortable with either one?
 

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If you are underwhelmed by the appearance of this boat, then you should probably move on to the next boat.

I did not see any show stoppers in the pictures, just a bunch of wear marks. Probably docked and beached an a tactile fashion. :D
 
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Natesms

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Great tip- I planned on either a marine survey or have a dealership not connected with the sale take a look. To that point, which in your opinion is better- a marine surveyor or a dealership that knows the make/model of the boat? Impartiality is key, but would you feel more or less comfortable with either one?

I used a mechanic that we've used for 15 years. I would go with someone you or a close friend trust to do the inspection. The make/model isn't as important as a trustworthy inspector.
 

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Wonder just how much over $5K this boat is? I'm not seeing the value, and asking for reimbursement for repairs is just laughable. I think the buyer made a quality bossiness decision. Not making emotional decisions when buying is really important.
 

Brian 26

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I'm sure way over. That model has excellent resale value. I'd buy it as it all day long for 5k. That year, make and model in my area in the spring, in good shape would sell for $15k.
 

RobTX

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I'm sure way over. That model has excellent resale value. I'd buy it as it all day long for 5k. That year, make and model in my area in the spring, in good shape would sell for $15k.

Yes- $15k is market for that boat in good shape in and out; excellent resale which is why I like that model, apart from the size and features the boat has. This boat was NOT going for $5k- more like $14k without a trailer.

What does "quality bossiness" mean? Was I being too picky?
 
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