Very Long Train

Kiwi Phil

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Here is a change of scenery for you chaps.<br /><br />Downunder, we have just completed a new train line which stretch's from Adelaide in the very south to Darwin at the "Top End".<br /><br />It is called the Ghan. I will explain why below.<br /><br />It is billed as the longest train journey in the world, and goes just over 3,000k with 4 stops, being Alice Springs (1,500K in the Dead Centre) then on another 500k to Tennant Creek, then over 700k to Catherine, then on to the big stop at Darwin.<br /><br />It was meant to be a freight line so all exports could go out of Darwin (3 days shipping to Singapore), but the forward bookings for the passenger train have been so massive it may be listed as one of the great train trips in the world.<br /><br />The passenger train had 43 coaches, 2 engines, and stretched 1.3K in length. The initial problem was getting all the passengers on quickly as there was not a platform long enough, so they split it up in 3-4 trains, each at different platforms, and when loaded they pulled all the coaches together to make one train, and away they went.<br /><br />The freight trains are expected to cause the Shipping Company's operating out of Sydney and Melbourne a lot of serious competition, but one shipping giant reckons "the trains profits will be smaller than a ticks testicles", but then again suppose he couldn't say much else.<br /><br />Others reckon the Northern Territories (that's where Darwin is) is so heavily Government subsidised they need a big train to ship the money in on and the empty beer kegs out.<br /> <br />Now for the name Ghan. It is a knock down slang from the word Afghanastan.Going back to the 1800's the round eyed white man thought horses were all the go in opening up the Centre and Outback of Australia. Some realised they wern't, so imported Camels and as none knew what to do with Camels, they bought in Afghani Camel Drivers. A long time later they put in a rail line up to Alice Springs (which they ripped up 30 odd years back) which pretty much did away with the Camels, so they called the line the Ghan, and it has stuck ever since.<br /><br />The Camels were let loose and have bred well in the wild, infact are now rounded up and exported back to Countries who still use them. Apparantly they are in excellant condition.<br /><br />This isn't the only big rail trip we have. Another is the Indian-Pacific, and that is a trip and a half too.<br />Sorry to bore you every one.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

KennyKenCan

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Interesting information there, Kiwi Phil.<br /><br />Stories like that are not boring, but rather interesting.<br /><br />It's nice to hear how the rest of the world lives and the problems and triumphs that they face everyday, being most of us are from the U.S.A.
 

neumanns

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I seen something here on one of the news programs, one heck of a train track you got there.
 

jinx

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Kiwi: I've read that Australian railroads have been plagued by non-standard guages. The individual states adopted their own, and it's been only recently that standardization has occurred. <br /><br />Thanks for the interesting read.<br /><br />Jinx
 

JGREGORY

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Never boring to read about whats going on in other places, Kiwi. Us Americans tend to have Tunnel vision and I think it's always good to experience other cultures.<br /><br />Stay Cool. :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
 

snapperbait

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Great read! Big railroad buff here... :) <br /><br /> Saw a very interesting 2 hour program on PBS a few years ago about the railroads "Downunder"... Still have it on VHS tape and watch it every now and then.. :cool:
 

Jack Shellac

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Very interesting, Kiwi. Our US Cavalry tried camels for our Western deserts some years ago, but it didn't work out. The camels didn't survive long afterwards, as I understand it.
 

Kiwi Phil

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You are dead right about the mess up with the different width guages in different States. They are a variety of widths.<br /><br />Up in the northern part our our State of Queensland, there is a place called Cairns. They built this magnificient Train along the lines of the Orient Express, but better, and it runs from there to Sydney, which is over 2,500K. It stops at all points of interest. All first class. Problem is, when they get to Brisbane they have to put every one in a 5 star Hotel while they change the bogeys/wheels so they will fit the guage over the boarder in New South Wales.<br />Makes you wonder if the leaders of today have any more sence than those of yester years.<br /><br />I will tell you a story about the Camels in Aussie.<br /><br />Not everyone thought they were the best animals to use, although it was more like they didn't like the Afghanis who came with them.<br />Anyway a race between horses and camels was organised to settle the issue once and for all. It was over a long distance, and a couple of days/nights duration. Anyway the horses won so that proved the horses were the better animals. Problem was, those horses that survived were broken and incapable of doing anything, whereas the camels drivers spent the night at the Finishing post and drove back to where they started from the next day.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 
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How Mil Specs Live Forever<br /><br />The US Standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and the US railroads were built by English expatriates.<br /><br />Why did the English people build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.<br /><br />Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.<br /><br />Okay! Why did the wagons use that odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing the wagons would break on some of the old, long distance roads, because that's the spacing of the old wheel ruts.<br /><br />So who built these old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in Europe were built by Imperial Rome for the benefit of their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts? The initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagons, were first made by Roman war chariots. Since the chariots were made for or by Imperial Rome they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.<br /><br />Thus, we have the answer to the original questions. The United State standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification (Military Spec) for an Imperial Roman army war chariot. MilSpecs and Bureaucracies live forever.<br /><br />So, the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's a$$ came up with it, you may be exactly right. Because the Imperial Roman chariots were made to be just wide enough to accommodate the back-ends of two war horses<br /><br /> :D
 
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