Video capturing and editing

eeboater

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I bought me-self a new toy before I left on vacation to Alaska... a new Canon Camcorder!!! :D :D <br /><br />What do you guys use to capture video off of your camcorders? Do you burn the data to DVD? If so, what software do you use? I want to be able to pull the 4 hours of tape off the Mini-DV tapes and put them on a few DVDs.<br /><br />Any input is greatly appreciated.<br /><br />Sean
 

bkwarford

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Re: Video capturing and editing

ee<br /><br />It all depends on how much time and money you are willing to spend on the project. I've learned thru trial and error of sorts. Here's my story...<br /><br />Many many years ago I had bought a mini-dv camcorder (analog video format) to make family videos as my son grew up. <br /><br />Then two years I got hit by a 'bug' to convert the old analog mini-dv tapes to digital dvd's (a more stable media). <br /><br />So I looked at the pc stores as to what was available at the time and Pinnacle Studio 8 was 'conveniently available to be borrowed' from a friend so I tested it. It worked ok and allowed you edit in their sample clips such as audio clips, video fade ins, black outs, etc. Studio 8 was primarily menu driven and relatively dummy proof.<br /><br />Since then I've moved on to Adobe Premiere Pro and prefer Nero to burn dvd's. Adobe is pricey but definitely worth it once you get some experience. <br /><br />The only other advice is to realize a conversion on a pc will require a large amount of free (temporary) space and can kill a few hours to process depending on your pc's processor speed. I would start mine on a Sunday during football season or around laundry time when it could be fairly monitored without trapping me at the pc\home. Of course if your newer camcorder is digital then your time could be cut in half as to what my project took me to complete. That's my two cents...
 

Andrew Leigh

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Re: Video capturing and editing

Hi,<br /><br />just to add to what Tub'n and Fish'n said. First and foremost you need you PC optimalised.<br /><br />a) Get a separate hard drive for your video work. Make it as large as you can, capacity wise, and the spindle speed 7200 rpm.<br />b) Set you operating system drive (the one with windows on) on IDE0 along with the DVD Writer.<br />c) Set you video drive on IDE1 along with any other device you may have. The reason for this seperation is that it allows parallel processing of the video signal and the software you will use.<br />d) I use an independant hardware capture card called Canopus DV Raptor, which although old and no longer availble works fine for me. Most PC's today have firewire ports and with suitable software will allow you to capture the signal to you hard drive.<br />e) I use Adobe Premiere (cannot use Pro as it conflicts with my capture card). I would recommend this product.<br />f) What would be useful would be to have a seperate program / utility that captures scene changes. This greatly simplifies the process of editing.<br />g) I try for the maximum resolution and prefer not to use Nero but use a Mpeg compression utility, available on the net, called Tmpgenc. It is highly rated.<br />h) Defragment you drives regularly.<br />i) As a matter of interest I use a 3gig processor with 1gig of RAM and I have two 160gig SATA drives. Would like more RAM though.<br /><br /> http://www.tmpgenc.net/ <br /><br />Google will reveal a lot of help in setting up this utility, type in "Tmpgenc settings".<br /><br />Watch documentaries and the like. You will notice that most scenes rarely last longer than 6 seconds. Longer and people minds wander. Use a tripod as much as possible and avoid too much zooming in and out, it only works in music videos. Make use of establishing shots, i.e. at a wedding take the church, the flowers, stained glass windows etc. This will allow to you both to set the scene and give you "cutaway" shots that you can use when your footage is poor.<br /><br />Constantly check your white balance as colour casts on video are difficult and time consuming tto correct.<br /><br />Lastly the hardest part of video believe it or not is to get good quality sound. If the original soundtrack is required you will do well to get an additional mic.<br /><br /><br />Hope this helps<br />Cheers<br />Andrew
 

marcmccain

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Re: Video capturing and editing

eeboater,<br /><br />I once asked the board if anyone had any experience converting VHS tapes to DVD. Schematic (whom I haven't seen any post from in many moons now) gave me some good advice by a personal email. I have enclosed what he sent to me because I think if you omit the step of copying from vhs tape to digital tape the rest will apply to what you are intrested in. Good luck...<br /><br /><br />Quote -- "I had hoped you wanted quality. . . <br /><br />1. You need an analog to digital converter. I'm hoping that your camcorder has that feature.(I'd bet it does since its newer) There are stand alone units out there, but the one in your camcorder is better. Don't even consider a capture card for the PC. The output from your VCR will connect to the input of the camcorder. Use s-video if your VCR supports it.<br /><br />2. You'll need a firewire card for the PC. They run about $30 in Canada. The output of your camcorder will connect to the firewire card via a firewire cable (supplied with the card).<br /><br />3. You'll need a big hard drive (in addition to your system drive). One hour of mildly compressed video will take up approx. 30 gig. I'd recommend a 160 gig WD. about $100 Canadian (on sale). I have 4 of them in my PC, but I work on more than one file at a time.<br /><br />4. You'll need a DvD burner. I'd recommend an LG GSA-4040b ($110 Canadian on sale) Its important to get one that burns -r and +r formats. LG burns all three formats (ram as well).<br /><br />5.You'll need a decent editing software. Ulead Media Studio, Ulead Video Studio, or Adobe Premiere Pro. (pending on your needs and budget)<br /><br />6. You'll need a DvD authoring software. I use Ulead DvD Workshop, but its overpriced. If you want bang for buck, try TMPGEnc DvD author. Poor menu system but works.<br /><br />7. You'll need a "capture software" to interface the PC with the camcorder. There are plenty of free-ware ones around, but you need one that can use a Huffyuv codec for lossless compression. You must use huffyuv or PIC lossless codec or you will lose quality in the transfer. I don't care who makes it, if its not lossless, its useless. I use iuVCR. It works with Huffyuv. Its a little unstable, but if you decide with it, I'll help with the bugs.<br /><br />8.You'll need a compression software. This is funny cause the best one is the cheapest. TMPGEnc is what you want. When you compress your video to DvD format, you must use a "constant bitrate of 8000" Anything less, and you'll degrade.<br /><br />9.you'll need a fast computer (faster the better) with winXP. 512 ram minimum. <br /><br />*capture using huffyuv codec<br />*edit the file before compression (avi format)<br />*export the file using huffuv or uncompressed<br />*if scenes are dark, use the noise filter in TMPEnc<br />*compress with 8000 bitrate (don't bother with variable bit rate)<br />*use only brand name DvD disks for maximum<br />compatibility. TDK, Maxell are good choices.<br />*One hour of video to a DvD (if you get more on than that, you're doing it wrong)<br /><br />Thats a start. You will hear many opinions about capture cards. Most people who comment on them have nothing of quality to compare to. I'm fussy. My video DvD's are as good or better in some cases than the original. Strive for duplication. There is ALWAYS some degradation when converting from analog to digital. If you play smart, you can compensate for this and atleast equal the original. Remember, DvD format is moderately compressed. Don't count on editing the video once it has been converted to DvD format (MPEG2). Don't consider VCD or SVCD either (waste of time). Home movies are priceless, and eventually your finished product will be all that is left in existence. Leave behind the highest quality possible for future generations.<br />*remember, the clock is ticking. The longer you wait, the worse the VHS quality gets (VHS was poor to begin with). And as the old saying goes......garbage in, garbage out<br /><br /><br />Good luck,<br /><br /> Schematic<br /><br />" unquote...
 

Andrew Leigh

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Re: Video capturing and editing

EE<br /><br />One more thing with regard to your camcorder. Pick one manufacturer of Mini DV tapes and stick with that. Manufacturers use different "lubricants" on tapes. Mixing tapes has been known to result in dropped frames and other quality issues.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Andrew
 

eeboater

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Re: Video capturing and editing

Wow!!! Thats an IMPRESSIVE response!! Thanks to all who provided input. I'm going to begin the optimization of my PC at home to prepare for the data conversions. I have an 80 Gig drive that is used for pretty much nothing. The space will be dedicated to my conversions. <br /><br />The camcorder I have has an IEEE Firewire port on it that I can use for capturing data. I'm going to try to capture the data through that before I invest in the capture card. <br /><br />Also, has anyone used Nero 6.6? Supposedly it has a capturing feature as well as a Menu builder/DVD building feature.<br /><br />Sean
 

tommays

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Re: Video capturing and editing

i have been there and done that with everything you shake a stick at<br /><br />and at the end of the day the hard drive based pansonic DVD recorder gave perfect results in the least amount of time<br /><br />you cant edit that well but the quality of the DVD is perfect.<br /><br />tommays
 

pjc

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Re: Video capturing and editing

My solution was to buy a dvd player / recorder. I burn camcorder video directly to dvd with this machine. For all the digital camera photos and short video clips I build slide shows using Windblows Movie Maker that is bundled into XP SP2. This file results in a .wmv format. That I convert using Super DVD Creator software (low end file conversion and burning...$30) to create DVDs.
 
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