Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

[Oatsmandave]

Hello Kids, Well, here I go with another post for another boat I bought. I purchased an immaculate 1989 Carver 2157 with an AQ205 drivetrain Duo-prop outdrive last summer and it had bad intermediate bearings (as I was told from my marina). I think I got a pretty good deal on it as I paid $5000 for it and the marina quoted me $2000 to fix it. I have been reading posts and also pricing parts and they would be around $300 for the parts, so "how can I go wrong with doing it myself", I say. From what I see from Don's postings to others is that it will be very tough to get the intermediate bearing(s) out of the bell housing after so long of them failing(7 months after the failed). Now for the tricky part, how much damage can I do by pounding them out with a 3lb dead blow hammer and am I going to be hammering ALL day? Are their 2 bearings (intermediate and a pilot)?And what will it entail a backyard mechanic to put the bearings back in the bell housing? I have never had to deal with a bell housing before, just gimble bearings. Also Don, If you are listening, could you make me a list of what all parts, bearing(s), gaskets, O-rings etc. so I can order them. I would GREATLY appreciate all the help I can get from y'all as I wanna get my baby on the Mississippi as soon as spring hits up here in Minneapolis. Thanks, Dave

 

[captmello]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

Spring in Minneapolis??? Is there such a thing??

When I changed out my intermediate bearings, They were not hard to pound out or in. to pound them in, it was just a matter of having a tool that would put the pressure around the outside of the bearing to prevent damaging the new one. The snap rings are the hardest part I think.

 

[zbnutcase]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

They are not difficult to change but rust & corrosion can be a problem. And you do know you have to pull the engine because the shaft comes out the front? 'nutcase

 

[Oatsmandave]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

Yeppers, As you know Captmello, since you are from "The Great White North", summer is only 2 weeks long in Minnesota (DON'T BLINK!!) lol. I seen in a previous thread that you got good deals through Midway Marine in Roseville. I use to go to Great American Marine in Bloomington for parts for my Bayliner and would have to wait until parts were shipped to them. I don't want to have to wait for parts. I was also thinking Hannays would have the parts on hand as they are a bigger shop. For the life of me I can't remember exactally which Dp outdrive I have since it has been so long since I seen the boat and reading all of these posts has me mixed up since I have seen so many different ODs posted. I will obviously look at the outdrive before I get parts as the snow melts. I know I have to pull the upper and engine, which shouldn't be to hard except for the fact that the back of the boat is about 7-8 feet tall on the trailer. I'll have to find a tree or a forklift since a regular engine hoist will not reach that tall. I also was thinking of going to an auto parts store or Gopher Bearing to get the U-joints as they might be cheaper than Volvo parts. As I recall, "a u-joint is a u-joint" as long as it fits. I just hope the bellhousing or shaft aren't shot as well. So what was your parts list like in detail if you could shoot me that, I would be greatful for it if you remember what you had to get. I am going to start buying these parts bit by bit to soften the blow of price shock since I lost my job. Thanks for the help to all of you,it is greatly appreciated. By the way Capt, I hear the walleye and sunnies have been plentiful on Chisago and So. Lindstrom this winter.

 

[Don S]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

You do realize there are snap rings holding those bearings and the shaft in don't you? You don't just start hammering on them and hope for the best.
If you go up to the Adults only sticky, you can download the OEM engine manual for your engine, it explains how to replace those bearings.
You must also remove the engine and upper gear box to remove the flywheel cover from the boat.

 

[captmello]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

By the way Capt, I hear the walleye and sunnies have been plentiful on Chisago and So. Lindstrom this winter.

There's a lot of fish in these lakes. I wait for the water to soften up before chasing them. Bottle bass are my favorite catch.

You most likely have a dp-a. But check it out before ordering parts. Have a look at this parts breakdown.

http://www.volvopentastore.com/Intermediate-Housing/dm/*******.101605521--**********.994959757--store_id.366--view_id.330452

You'll need the orings, #52 and #53 for reinstalling the upper.

http://www.volvopentastore.com/Connecting-Components-Drive-Unit-Sp-A-Dp-A/dm/*******.101605521--**********.994959757--store_id.366--view_id.330497

You'll need 2-#80 (seals), 1-#81 (bearing), 1-#84 (bearing).

Thats it.

As far as Midway Marine goes, he can get you the parts you can't order through iboats. All his parts are the same price as Iboats. I would call ahead to see if he has your parts. If you haven't been to Midway Marine, its kind of a hole in the wall. The owner is the only employee and he locks up to go home for lunch. Just don't go there without calling ahead to confirm he will be there.

I used a chain hoist in a tree to remove my motor.

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Good Luck too you!!

 

[Oatsmandave]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

Yeppers Don, I did know that their are snap rings, I just remember in another post you had said that if you don't catch the bearings right away the will fuse to the bell housing after time, so I was concerned about that. I downloaded quite a bit of the manuals you had already, but I just need that little bit more of confidence to get me to want to tackle this job by myself. Both you and Captmellow have given me that extra "push of confidence" I needed on other projects that I successfully completed. I will buy what I can through Iboats since I want to keep you guys alive and will get the rest through Midwest. Yeah Capt, I've kept Anheuser-Busch alive as well and I'll take ya on a nice beer cruise when job is complete! I REALLY appreciate your input and help guys, and keep up the good work! Thanx tons,Dave

 

[Don S]

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I just remember in another post you had said that if you don't catch the bearings right away the will fuse to the bell housing after time, so I was concerned about that.

What I was referring to was running the engine after it starts making noise. I have seen people go all season with it making noise and it just gets worse and worse and eventually the bearings just lock up and the races start spinning inside the housing.
You won't know that till you take it apart. It all depends on how long the previous owner abused it.
You should also expect to find water in the bellows (which is usually the cause of the intermediate bearing failure) and will need new ujoints and probobaly some upper gear box work to replace the sealing washer. The gear box work I would suggest you get done professionally.

 

[Oatsmandave]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

I already planned on bellows and U-joints, that is a given there and figured that was the cause of failure. I will take your advice on getting the gearbox seals done professionally(but not by my marina as I feel they are rip-offs), but I am curious as to why? Is it difficult to put them in? Also, I don't even see part #53 at all on the diagram for the DP-A that Captmellow sent. Do you think he may be referring to part #54(adjusting washer) or can that washer be used over? I'm getting the itch to get this done but can't since they blocked me in at the marina(after I asked them not to).

 

[Don S]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

The adjusting washer (aka shims) can be reused if not broken. #53 is just above the tube marked #30 in the picture.

 

[Oatsmandave]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

I see it now Don. Kinda an odd place for it and now it sticks out like a sore thumb. I thank you guys SO much and appreciate your input and help. Thanks again, Dave

 

[Oatsmandave]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

Okay kids, I tried to tackle this job and had a HECK of a time getting the motor loose. I took the 6 bolts from the outdrive side of the boat to loosen the flywheel cover but to no avail, the bellhouse would NOT break free from the transom.So the next move was to just disconnect the bellhousing from the engine itself.It took a bit but the engine moved away from the bellhousing.By the way the bearings were SHOT(Nothing there, except the race),NOW the problem is getting that race out,but the snap ring does not have ANY holes to get at to release them(ground away? who knows?!?!). I banged and banged for about 5 hours on them but that didn't work at all(plus their was mininum room to hammer with the motor in the way)What do I do next and how do I get the bellhousing COMPLETELY out of the boat? I am ready to abandon this boat as I am very disgruntled by this.

 

[captmello]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

to remove the clamping ring, using one or more of the six bolts that hold the clamp ring in place, screw the bolt into one of the threaded holes in the clamp ring. this will jack the ring off of the flywheel cover and loosen the entire assembly like removing the steering helmet pin.

Don't quit now. The snap rings do have holes they may be hidden by grease. Get the flywheel cover out of the boat and on a bench.

Hope this helps.

 

[Oatsmandave]

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I had removed all the grease and cleaned the inside bell housing with carb cleaner and their are no holes at all for the snap rings. I can't even see where they split at all as it looks like that split might be deep in the groove.I tried to pound the part of the ring that is visible into the groove a little deeper but that didn't help in seeing the "split".

 

[captmello]

Re: Volvo/Penta intermediate bearings

I had removed all the grease and cleaned the inside bell housing with carb cleaner and their are no holes at all for the snap rings. I can't even see where they split at all as it looks like that split might be deep in the groove.I tried to pound the part of the ring that is visible into the groove a little deeper but that didn't help in seeing the "split".

Well I'm not sure what to say. See if you can get the flywheel cover out of the boat. Its much easier to work on.