Wanna Be Mechanics

mkast

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This is an article I read by Ray Bohacz, published in the technical section of a vehicle monthly.
For those of you without the where with all to understand why it was posted, when you see "car", THINK "boat".

The query:
....the problem is, that's pretty much the sum total of my knowledge and ability under the hood.
I'm anxious to learn more, but unfortunately, right now my schedule and budget do not allow for something like taking a vocational class. I am wondering if maybe there is a good DVD series available on the basics of engine tuning and repair for a novice like me? I've done a lot of looking online, and so far have drawn a blank, so any recommendations you could make would be a big help and much appreciated.


The response:
Yours is a common question that I have been asked over the years. But the real question is, how much do you want to learn, and what commitment are you willing to make? Simply put, working on cars is a trade. As with any skill, a novice cannot learn it from a DVD or book. Your education begins with learning about tools and how to properly use them. When you were a kid, did you have any interest in how mechanical things worked? Did you ever take them apart? Are you just as interested in how a washing machine bearing functions as how a wheel bearing on your Pontiac works? Mechanical theory is shared by all devices and is not much different in most applications. If you know how to properly change spark plugs on a Briggs and Stratton lawnmower engine, then you could do the same job on a piston aircraft engine. Proper mechanical procedure is what you need to learn-then you can apply it to your Pontiac. Most people who do not have an understanding of proper procedure usually take a simple task and turn it into a nightmare by breaking something, stripping threads or the like. I have seen this many times.

Once you learn procedure, you will need to learn how the systems in a car function. You can't fix something if you have no idea how it works. This will take many years of mistakes, reading, asking questions, finding out that the person you asked knew less than you, and so on. It is a learning process that will span a lifetime. Please do not interpret this to mean that you cannot achieve your goal - I believe nothing is further from the truth. I have the highest regard for those who want to learn. I only want to point out that from your letter, I got the impression that you may believe it is easier than it actually is. I do not want to lead you astray.

For example, I have worked on mechanical things my entire life, starting with an old lawnmower engine. My dad was very mechanically minded, and being on the family farm, we were surrounded by apparatuses that needed maintenance and repair. I was able to see that the skill needed to remove a rusted bolt, adjust the valves or set the carburetor on an Oliver Row Crop 70 tractor was no different than the skill needed to perform the same task on a 1968 Dodge Dart. There were some differences, such as the working space, part or system design, and so on, but the basics were the same.

A good suggestion might be to place an advertisement and see if you can hire a retired mechanic (make sure that he is good; there are a lot of clunkers who call themselves mechanics) to mentor you through different tasks. For example, if you want to remove the distributor from your Pontiac, he can work alongside you and instruct and watch so you do not get into too much trouble. But you are going to need to get into some trouble-that is the only way you will learn. If he is a good teacher, he will explain what you are trying to accomplish and then how to do the task. Once your skill level and confidence improve, he should booby-trap the car and have you get out of the jam. For example, pull the distributor out and then crank the engine over a few revolutions so you need to locate TDC and install the distributor.
I wish you luck.
 

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Re: Wanna Be Mechanics

I have to agree pretty much.

We had done amateur auto mechanical work for many years and when a friend had to replace a worn steering part, (d0n't even remeber the part as it was 25 years ago, shaped like a wish bone) in a Merc I/O, we thought why not"?

Started removing bolts that looked like the were holding things together and slid the V8 forward, enough to loosen the i/o unit, to get the part loosened. The boat ran great, until he rolled it into a ditch early one morning. If it would have been something more complex, inside the i/o, we may have had to get professional help.

Good bye "thumbelina". You were fun while you lasted. ;)
 

puddle jumper

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Good subject. Been doing this a long time and what I found was you never stop learning. And ya there are lots of people out there that try to do the talk but cant do the walk.
 

roncoop75

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I guess it depends where a guy draws the line. A good deal of the routine (and expensive) maintenance on a boat can be done by the average owner that has no real mechanical background.

I'd agree with this up to a point. That point is when the person with no mechanical background hits a sticky bolt or nut or a fastener that is a bit odd or some clip he has never seen. At that point most people with no mechanical background begin to break things because instead of 'thinking' how it comes apart, they'll start 'beating' it apart.

I think that's the whole point of the article. A lot of mechanical abilities have nothing to do with a boat, car, washing machine ect. Like a stuck bolt, in some cases you can smack it with a hard plastic mallet and it will come out. Someone with no mechanical background is just going to make a mess of it that a pro will have to fix. A book on boat repair isn't going to teach you that, only experience will.
 

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There is a lot more to being a mechanic that watching a dvd, reading a book or posting in a forum. First the person has to have some mechanical ability, they have to be able to follow instructions and they need to have the common sense to realize the bolt won't move, I need to get help to get it out, or whatever the snag is. If they have that then they can learn the rest, it takes years of experience to get good at it and you never know it all. Working on my boat this past weekend, I learned a few things about mine and how much of it I had to take out for access to do a simple job, took longer to gain access than to do the job.
 

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I have always been mechanically minded (and grew up in a tire shop where there were lots of mechanical items) but not my profession. I look at doing mechanical work on my boat and cars as a hobby. I've learned a lot but know my limitations. I've also learned a lot from here on iboats (have comfortably changed an impeller, replaced exhaust manifold and risers, but wouldn't dream of taking the engine apart: that's for professionals.) Having a 23 year old boat that I've had all those years has taught me alot. Nothing bad has happened yet because I screwed up.
 

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Poverty is the mother of education.
If I was a ga-zillionaire, every little thing would be handled by the best shop in Florida.
I am not, so I have bumbled, stumbled and learned not only the how's of my I/Os, but the Why's as well.
I have done some work on my tub that 2 years ago I would have never have attempted, but by reading, learning and this online classroom known as iboats, well I think I have saved at least $5,000 easy being a not so shady shade tree wrench.
 

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Poverty is the mother of education.
If I was a ga-zillionaire, every little thing would be handled by the best shop in Florida.
I am not, so I have bumbled, stumbled and learned not only the how's of my I/Os, but the Why's as well.
I have done some work on my tub that 2 years ago I would have never have attempted, but by reading, learning and this online classroom known as iboats, well I think I have saved at least $5,000 easy being a not so shady shade tree wrench.

'Ata boy!
 

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There is a lot more to ............................................................................................................................access to do a simple job, took longer to gain access than to do the job.

Seems wrenching and dating have more in common that I thought....;);):p:D
 

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Being raised by a Mechanic (USMC diesel mech, pro machinist and engine builder, small engine mech, ect...) I quickly fell into turning wrenches at a very young age. I enjoy it and even done it as a professional (Ford Tech certified), but decided that it is better for me to do it as a hobby.

Now after years of working on 4 strokes and weedwhacker engines, I am frequently dumbfounded by this big 6 cyl two stroke. But I know with enough time I can keep it going.

Experience pays tons when it comes to working on your own stuff.
 

Philip_G

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I'm getting to the point that I'm just too lazy to work on stuff myself anymore. I'm never happy with it if I do it myself, there's always the little nagging thoughts of did I forget this or that. Then I take it to a pro and they take less care than I would and I worry even more :eek:

I used to enjoy fixing things, and I still don't mind fixing friend's cars but once the fun is gone I'm over it.
 
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Owning a boat is much different than owning a car/truck.

The systems are, for the most part, very simple but do require a degree of "enginuity" in some areas.

Owning a boat is either for:

1. The very wealthy. Pay someone.

2. The mechanically inclined. DIY.

This board, is a testiment to the fact, most, not all, are neither.;)
 

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Owning a boat IS much different than a car, or ISNT?

Car, boat, lawnmower, 2-stroke, 4-stroke. In my mind, whether you're taking apart a blender, or putting together a space shuttle, when you look at it on a macro level, its all just turning wrenches, and I will dive into anything without concern, and deal with the snags if/when they come.
 

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Owning a boat IS much different than a car, or ISNT?

Car, boat, lawnmower, 2-stroke, 4-stroke. In my mind, whether you're taking apart a blender, or putting together a space shuttle, when you look at it on a macro level, its all just turning wrenches, and I will dive into anything without concern, and deal with the snags if/when they come.

Spot on.

I used to laugh when a certified Chevy mechanic, said he could not work on a Toyota. Why not?

Granted, some functions, such as Volvo truck electronics, can be highly specialized, but if you know what a engine starter is and does, does it really make much difference, if it is in a Mack, Subaru, or Bayliner?

Now days, with the troubleshooting and repair information on the internnet, you can probably learn how to perform open heart surgery. ;) My brother an I are learning what it takes, to repair an old backhoe. I have never even ran one before, but no way could we afford to pay someone to repair it.

Why would we want to.
 

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I fall in the mechanically inclined but not wealthy catagory. Most of my life I couldn't afford to pay to have the work done so had to read, watch, ask questions and educate myself. After many years of life and allot of mistakes I have become a fairly decent wrench turner and troubleshooter. The guy who wrote the article was dead on when he said it takes a lifetime and evan than you never learn it all. I'm a big believer in nessesity is the mother of invention and education:)

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puddle jumper

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Spot on.

I used to laugh when a certified Chevy mechanic, said he could not work on a Toyota. Why not?

Granted, some functions, such as Volvo truck electronics, can be highly specialized, but if you know what a engine starter is and does, does it really make much difference, if it is in a Mack, Subaru, or Bayliner?

Now days, with the troubleshooting and repair information on the internnet, you can probably learn how to perform open heart surgery. ;) My brother an I are learning what it takes, to repair an old backhoe. I have never even ran one before, but no way could we afford to pay someone to repair it.

Why would we want to.

Its funny you would bring up the point that a Chev mechanic would not repair a Toyota. One thing that I have noticed working at different dealerships and now mainly on Ford trucks now. There all put together differently and many people get intimidated by that. It can also be very frustrating trying to figuring it out.
 

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Its funny you would bring up the point that a Chev mechanic would not repair a Toyota. One thing that I have noticed working at different dealerships and now mainly on Ford trucks now. There all put together differently and many people get intimidated by that. It can also be very frustrating trying to figuring it out.

Most people fail to realize that mechanics are out to make money, especially at a dealership. Been there done that. We serviced Ford Lincoln and Mercury cars and trucks. But we would work on about anything that was on the used car lot. When this was done there was a fine line of trying to make money at it or sending it to the appropriated service center.

I was more on the diesel side of the ford line, and SVT line. Lets just say I had rather work on a diesel than a gas burner any day.
 

puddle jumper

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Most people fail to realize that mechanics are out to make money, especially at a dealership. Been there done that. We serviced Ford Lincoln and Mercury cars and trucks. But we would work on about anything that was on the used car lot. When this was done there was a fine line of trying to make money at it or sending it to the appropriated service center.

I was more on the diesel side of the ford line, and SVT line. Lets just say I had rather work on a diesel than a gas burner any day.

Thats funny I would rather work on a gas than a diesel. Your right all shops are about the money. When I worked at Toyota we had to have at least 125% productivity. There were days that I would charge out 14 hours of labor in 8 hours.
 
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