warm up lever on 150 johnson (88yr)

nina

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I've looked through alot of topics and can't find what I'm looking for. Last time I went boating I pushed primer w/key and pushed up the warm up lever to warm motor up like usual. Motor fired up like normal but for some reason I couldn't get the motor to rev up like normal, it stayed at one constant speed and would not accelerate any higher. I pushed the warm up lever all the way up and engine speed did not increase. I backed the boat off the trailer with no problems and boat ran fine early in the day but as the day went on I noticed the boat had a hard time getting out of the holeshots. Once the boat got on plane it seemed to run fine. Since then I have not driven boat but have rebuilded the carburetors and noticed top and bottom float level drops were way off. Top: was 1"1/2---Mdl:1"1/8--- Btm: was 1"3/4. Spec calls for 7/8"-1"1/8. I've ordered new VRO w/o oil injection side. Plan to take to lake this weekend to try but I was just curious of why warm lever did not accelerate motor during warm-up. By the way the throttle plates were operating correctly. When I pushed warm-up lever up the throttle plates on all three carbs were opened completely.<br />Any ideas what could be causing problem.
 

OBJ

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Re: warm up lever on 150 johnson (88yr)

Hello nina and welcome to iboats forums.<br /><br />Warm up lever.....the warm up lever is not supposed to open the throttle plates wide open. That would rev the motor to high in neutral and there would be a chance of engine damage or the motor taking off. I would seriously consider taking a look at the control cable anchor in the motor pan and make sure it is secure. Take the throttle cable lose from the anchor and have someone operate the control while you observe the casing guide travel. Should be smooth in both directions.....Do this with the motor off.<br /><br />Hold the end of the control cable while someone operates the control. Is there any play in the cable? Does it move with the control? Do the same with the warm up lever. The warm up lever is independant of the control lever and can go south while the control handle will work fine. If there is a difference between the two, condider taking it to a wrench for a look-see.<br /><br />Now a question for you....is the carb overhaul and VRO replacement just PM or is there a reason behind it?<br /><br />The carb floats...how did you measure them? To set the floats, make sure the needle and float are in place. Invert the carb so that the float is up. The float should be near level with the carb body gasket surface...just slightly high in the front. I don't recall any drop setting on the float.<br /><br />Keep us posted if you have other questions.
 

nina

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Re: warm up lever on 150 johnson (88yr)

To answer the question concerning carb float drop and VRO replacement. I purchased this boat last Aug and fished in it till Nov. I knew when I bought it that I would be PM-ing the motor in the spring. I noticed last year that the idle was not to good and from my past experiences with Mercury motors the idle circuits had a tendency of gumming up if not treated w/ stabilizer. When I broke the carbs down last week, the carbs floats were not correct. I know that inverting the floats upside down, that the floats should be parallel w/ casing of carb and that is how I did that procedure but I also set float drop. In the Clymer Evinrude/Johnson manual pg.280 and 281 it also shows what the float drop should be. When you let the floats drop in their normal position, manual states to measure from bottom of float to bottom of carb casing and the measurement should be between 7/8" and 1"1/8. Two carbs were way off.<br /> By the way I learned of the floats to be paralleled to casing from this website (Awesome site)<br /> To answer the second part about the VRO.<br />The motor is 16 years old and basically everything I've read about this VRO pump is not very assurring. Being that I can premix my oil/gas I am going with the new VRO pump w/o oil injection. I know about plugging off oil side and even about buying diaphragm kit for fuel side of VRO but the housing of my pump has three cracks where screws go through housing and don't want to chance it. VRO is not leaking YET but looks very brittle if you know what I mean. Can buy new VRO pump for $140.<br /> I might have a misunderstanding about the throttle valves for the warm up lever. I thought as you gradually push lever up (while the motor is in neutral) that engine speed increases. Doesn't the warm up lever open the throttle valves to allow fuel to be sucked into the manifold via carburetors. I don't usually push lever all the way up because, like you said , it could jump into gear. The thing that is happening now (last November) is that even when I pushed the lever all the way up the engine speed never increased. In the past I would push it about half way up and push key in for the primer solenoid and she'd fire right up - let her fast idle for a little bit then push warm up lever down - put into gear and go fishing.<br /> If I am incorrect about the throttle valves opening up as you gradually push lever up, then please help my ignorance. How and what makes the engine speed increase while in the neutral position if the throttles don't open as you apply the warm up lever in the upward motion? <br /> Just from working on carb's on vehicles, the speed only increases when fuel is drawn into the manifold by air that is allowed in when throttles begin to open. I know the idle circuit works differently because idle circuits are under the throttle valves or they have pre-bored calibrated holes in the valves themselves to allow a little air to draw fuel out of the idle circuit.<br /> Where is the fuel drawn in and by what means (air, manual, solenoid) on Johnson motors if not by throttle valves. Pushing the key in only shoots fuel straight in manifold to get it started<br />and I thought that pushing lever up was for engine warm up (throttle valves opening as you see fit) push it up a little for a little valve opening - result low speed warm-up. Push half way up for medium warm-up ,etc,;etc'; All the time increasing engine reving for the warm-up.<br /> Please, if I'm ignorant on this I would greatly appreciate any help on this.
 

OBJ

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Re: warm up lever on 150 johnson (88yr)

Sorry if I wasn't real clear nina....<br /><br />The cold start lever should not allow the throttle plates to go wide open. Just a little...maybe a quarter of the way open at best. This will prevent the engine starting at to high an rpm. <br /><br />Good move on replacing the VRO. You will have the latest VRO. They are more trust worthy than the originals. Just make sure that the warning horn system is working for all four alarms. Double check hose connections.<br /><br />OK on the float drop. I don't see them much in the OEM manuals. Thanks for clearing that up. :) <br /><br />Don't forget to follow up the carb overhaul with a sync and link. This may solve the problem of the start up lever. If not, watch the casing guide at the end of the control cable move as you operate the cold start lever. Should move enough to slightly open the carb throttle plates. If not, you may have a problem in the control box.<br /><br />Hope I (we) covered everything... :D <br /><br />Thanks for posting and don't hesitate to ask more questions.<br /><br />Just took another look at your post....we are talking about a control box with a throttle lever and a cold start lever aren't we?
 

red10

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Re: warm up lever on 150 johnson (88yr)

nina, the lever only allows it to rev no higher than 2500 rpms, i had a cable sticking and had a similar problem
 
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