Water Patrol - BWI Tactics?

Natesms

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First - I don't drink and drive, you shouldn't drink and drive, if you do, you suck, now on to my topic.


Here's an experience I had on Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri a few weeks back.

I was the DD, completely sober. We left the bar at 1:30am and went for a cruise up the lake to the dam and back. Got the the dam, turned around and headed home. On the way home in a wide channel there was very minimal boat traffic at what is now 2:30am. The moon was out and visibility was no issue.

I spot a set of lights off the starboard bow WAY off in the distance. Complete opposite side of the lake, saw the white light up high first then the green after a bit. Then I see the red and green, boat had changed course and was obviously headed my way. Still, not on a course to be concerned at all. I watch the lights seemingly adjust to become a collision course. I hold true as I'm on the left side of the lake closer to the shore and was on a perfect straight shot. The lights then continued to turn towards me and I became concerned and adjusted the best I could, I was now in a situation where I was going to have to "pass" this boat even though we never should have been close enough to be an issue with the huge amount of lake available. In the end the boat came up on me so close I had to steer very hard left and adjust speed to avoid what I felt could be a potential collision as this boat approached.

In the end the water patrol boat passes off my starboard side. He was close enough I could easily see the symbol on the side of the boat and see the single driver. The water patrol boat then goes off back towards the other side of the lake and that was it (changed course back towards their original destination).

Is this some kind of tactic to look for drunk drivers at night??? Has anyone else had this experience? The first thing I said to my passengers was "I think that guy was testing me!" I've also seen them sit outside the bars with no lights on, I don't believe that to be legal but I don't really know.

I bring this up because of this story I read. The link is a shortened version but the full story said the officer that hit the other boat claimed no bow lights Damaged Formula, 3 - lakeexpo.com: Lake News

I also know of another collision from a few years back at night with water patrol, a friend was on that boat.
 

oldjeep

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Sounds reasonable that they were testing you, or maybe just coming close enough to have a look. Pretty good bet that most folks leaving a bar at 1:30AM might be drunk.

Why would it be illegal for them to sit outside a bar with no lights on? And why would you care? Sounds like the folks who complain that the cops sit down the block from the bars.
 

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Sounds reasonable that they were testing you, or maybe just coming close enough to have a look. Pretty good bet that most folks leaving a bar at 1:30AM might be drunk.

Why would it be illegal for them to sit outside a bar with no lights on? And why would you care? Sounds like the folks who complain that the cops sit down the block from the bars.

Depends on what "sit outside the bars" means. Are they anchored offshore, then sure it's illegal to not have the anchor light on. If they are simply tied to a pier/dock, then it's obviously fine but perhaps "profiling".
 

moosehead

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I support aggressive enforcement of safe boating laws, particularly BWI. So long as LEO's abide by proper safety rules on the water, this includes tactics such as "testing", "profiling", and close watch after dark and on busy periods.
 

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Depends on what "sit outside the bars" means. If they are simply tied to a pier/dock, then it's obviously fine but perhaps "profiling".

There is nothing wrong with "profiling". It only become a problem when the criteria of the profile is entirely based upon race or social-economic status. If you are enforcing DUI laws it would be reasonable to assume that people leaving a bar are intoxicated. The courts have said repeatedly that officers may profile as a means of investigation.
 

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Re: Water Patrol - BWI Tactics?

I'm not sure how you can tell if someone is drunk by "looking" at a boater from a distance, in the dark, while moving. Seems a bit odd.

On my lake if they see you at night, they are going to do a safety inspection. I once had an officer come up pretty fast with a spot light on me. This scared me a bit he didn't have his blue light on and, like the OP, I thought I was on a collision course with a possibly impaired boater. The light didn't come on until he was within a about 20 feet.
 

Natesms

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Re: Water Patrol - BWI Tactics?

Why would it be illegal for them to sit outside a bar with no lights on? And why would you care? Sounds like the folks who complain that the cops sit down the block from the bars.

Because they aren't tied up. They are sitting out in the dark with no indicators that there is something in the water.
 

Natesms

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Re: Water Patrol - BWI Tactics?

I support aggressive enforcement of safe boating laws, particularly BWI. So long as LEO's abide by proper safety rules on the water, this includes tactics such as "testing", "profiling", and close watch after dark and on busy periods.

I have no problems with enforcement either. I do have a problem with them forcing me to aggressively change course at night with a full load of people. IMO - If he wanted to check me out he should have hit the lights from a ways off and talked to me.
 

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^Natesms, agreed. I got the feeling from your OP that their tactics were perhaps questionable, and I believe your statement that you were sober. That is why I prefaced my last sentence.
 

Natesms

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^Natesms, agreed. I got the feeling from your OP that their tactics were perhaps questionable, and I believe your statement that you were sober. That is why I prefaced my last sentence.

Unfortunately I do believe my group is in the minority with sober drivers, I don't blame them for assuming everyone has been drinking.
 

Natesms

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You WERE doing under 10 mph weren't you?

Maybe he was looking for someone and needed to get close enough to ID you

It COULD be MUCH worse..... Here's a cop that SHOULD be in handcuffs or at the very least unemployed

D.C. police boat crashes into boat in Georgetown - YouTube

30 MPH on Lake of the Ozarks at night. I'll admit I push that one, the boats sweet spot is 30 and I usually run about 28 at night.

I saw that crash on CNN today! I'm betting he's looking for a job shortly.
 

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WOW 30 mph at night is way too fast IMHO... you could never see a water hazard or worse yet people in the water... IE maybe their boat sank.... That really surprised me... I've always seen 10 mph limit at night ... usually only ignored by fishermen.
 

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Had one come charging in one night-- only white lights,, too bright to make out the boat. When he saw the shotgun in those bright lights the blue lights came on. Asked why he did not identify himself.... he apologized. It was not pointed at him or his boat but was ready with 2 slugs and 3 00 buck.
 

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It COULD be MUCH worse..... Here's a cop that SHOULD be in handcuffs or at the very least unemployed

D.C. police boat crashes into boat in Georgetown - YouTube

That clip just pisses me off watching it! And the cops attitude at the end, trying to get 'control' of the situation they created. ('just relax!!') Although she deserves a very nice, new boat, the taxpayers are the ones on the hook for it. I'd like to believe that the [ex] cop would be personally liable because of gross negligence and would spend many, many years of hard work to pay her back, but I know better...

Anyone ever hear of the end result of this story?
 
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smokeonthewater

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Re: Water Patrol - BWI Tactics?

I did a little reading on LOTO.... Not a place I EVER want to visit.... 100-200+ mph by day and 30 by night... no thanks
 

Natesms

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Re: Water Patrol - BWI Tactics?

THAT might be why he closed in on ya'. I'm with Smoke ... it's a bit quick in the dark.

30 is the limit. On LOTO that honestly doesn't feel to quick. Big lake with a well lit shoreline and minimal obstructions in the water. Completely understand about not being able to see a capsized boat or a person in the water though.
 

Natesms

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I did a little reading on LOTO.... Not a place I EVER want to visit.... 100-200+ mph by day and 30 by night... no thanks

Haha, and that is why those of us that go there love it. I watched the shootout along with a few thousand other boats where they were running 200+. You want peace and quiet Missouri has a lot of other lakes for that, ozarks is not it. That is actually why I kept my 19.5 footer, some days I want to go where I can peacefully cruise, water ski, etc.

It's honestly out of control with the big cruisers these days. 50+ footers are everywhere now. It's surrounded by cliffs or sea walls so the wakes just bounce and gets very rough. The busy weekends, anything under about 24 foot you are taking a risk if you are in the busy parts of the lake.
 

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Re: Water Patrol - BWI Tactics?

THAT might be why he closed in on ya'. I'm with Smoke ... it's a bit quick in the dark.

+2

30 MPH is highly dangerous at night regardless of location, moonlight, or shorelight

Good discussion folks
 
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