We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

sailincpa

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It's confounded me and the dealer's shop. Starts easy, idles good, runs fine to about 1/2 throttle (maybe 2500RPM), then you open the throttle but it won't run any faster. BUT ONLY INTERMITENTLY! It may happily run at 4500+/- for 10 minutes, then you shut it down & restart, (or maybe w/o a restart-just while it's running) you only get 2500. No stuttering or rough running, just won't run faster. Next time, it may run fine for awhile again, but at some point will go back to 2500.<br /><br />This motor is new to me. When bought I emptied tank, new fuel, changed plugs, checked fuel flow thru the lines (all OK) but had the problem. Shop did same, rebuilt carb, new points & timing adj, compression 110. Pumps water OK, but it's not getting much over lukewarm.<br /><br />What are we missing?
 

JB

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

This is an Evinrude Troubles topic.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

Compression is of major importance with that single cylinder engine. Should it be lacking somewhat, I'd suggest that you remove the cylinder head and using wet/dry 400A sandpaper, carefully hone the cylinder in a cross patch pattern (as good as possible), and just as carefully remove the resulting grit etc.<br /><br />Of course, the proper method to do the above would be to dismantle the engine completely but it can be done as explained.<br /><br />Use Champion J6C plugs, gapped at .030 if not already doing so. Points set to .020 when flywheel key is aligned with the fiber rubbing portion of the ignition points.<br /><br />With the s/plug removed, the spark should jump a 1/4" gap on that model with a strong blue lightning like flame.... a real SNAP! If not, find out why and correct that problem.... coil, condenser, points, plug wire?<br /><br />The carburetor must be absolutely clean and percisely adjusted. If there's the slightest doubt as to the carburetors cleanliness and/or quality of its gaskets, rework the carb.<br />(Carburetor Adjustments - Two Adjustable N/Vs) <br />(J. Reeves)<br /><br />Initial settings are: Bottom high speed = seat gently, then open 1 turn out. Top slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns. <br /><br />Setting the high and low needle valves properly:<br /><br />NOTE: For engines that DO NOT have a shift selection, obviously there is no NEUTRAL position. Simply lower the rpms to the lowest setting to obtain the low speed needle va /lve adjustment.<br /><br />(High Speed) Start engine (it will run pretty rough), shift into forward gear, take up to full throttle. In segments of 1/8 turn, wating for the engine to respond between turns, start turning in the bottom high speed needle valve. You'll reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the needle valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest setting. <br /><br />(Low Speed) Slow the engine down to where it just stays running. Shift into neutral. Again in segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the top needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running. Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back. Again, at that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting. <br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustments, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
 

sailincpa

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

I rebuilt the carb again yesterday, using OMC carb kit - new gaskets, packing, needle & seat, orifices, soaked all other parts (H&L speed needle valves, packing nuts, carb bodies) in carb cleaner 45min, cleaned & dried with compressed air. Checked level position of float and measured float drop as per carb kit instructions-all OK. Rechecked compression at about 110. I did the low/high speed NV tuning as you indicated (essentially the same as the manual and carb kit instructions said). I am using NGK B6S plugs, as per NGK catalog, as shop didn't have Champion's. Spark is strong & blue although I did it by grounding the plug and observing it jump the plug electrodes (.030"), not 1/4". Still runs OK to just above the "start" position on the throttle, then stalls out if pushed higher. Adjusting the high speed NV at the point that it wants to start to stall can make a small improvement in the throttle setting achieved, but only slight. Seems to do it all the time now, not intermittently as reported before.
 

Goodoleboy

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

If it were me I would go to auto parts store and buy a spark tester.<br /><br />And while their I would demand that they sell me at least two champion J6C plugs for this motor.<br /><br />I would then hook spark tester to this little devil and again demand that it jump at least 1/4 inch gap.<br /><br />If it dosent...I would find out why not.<br /><br />I would take a peice of 120 grit emery cloth and brighten up the magnet and the coil as well. <br /><br />And make doubley sure the air gap is correct between magnet and coil.<br /><br />Idd use that NGK spark plug as a depth sounder.<br /><br /><br />Good luck!
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

If that carburetor is indeed clean and you're sure of that, adjusting either needle valve should have an effect. I assume that is happening.<br /><br />If the carb is okay, one other improper adjustment would cause the engine to fall on it face which is.... the carburetor butterfly is opening too soon in relation to the timing. It (the butterfly) should just start to open when the scribe mark on the cam (attached to the front portion of the timer base) aligns with the center of the carburetor roller or lever (which ever that model might have).
 

fireman57

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

As Goodoleboy said, Champions are a must for these engines as they were literally designed around their heat ranges.
 

BF

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

I've got the same motor... on mine the vent on top of the gas cap can vibrate closed, and it runs like restricted fuel flow when it builds some vacuum in the tank. Open up the vent all the way, (til it won't back out anymore) and that way it stays open. <br /><br />Maybe the culprit (?).
 

sailincpa

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

OK, the plot thickens. I replaced the NGK with a Champ J6C, gapped at .030. Got a spark tester, and the blue spark jumped 1/4"+ with no problem. Connected the plug, grounded it and also saw good spark. <br /><br />I keep feeling that I have a no-fuel problem, so this afternoon I pulled the fuel shut-off petcock valve at the tank and soaked it in carb cleaner. Checked the flow out of the tank, and thru the petcock when cleaned - both OK. Replaced the fuel lines between the petcock and carb. Tried to start. Wouldn't fire off at all. Getting good spark at the plug, but no smell of fuel or "wet feel" at the plug hole at the top of the combustion chamber when I removed the plug. (But got good "suction" when I put my thumb over the plug hole and cranked.) Carb is getting fuel OK - I pulled the drain screw at the bottom of the carb, got a good drain of fuel. Also pulled the hi-speed valve, got good drain of fuel. Was pulling fuel thru the carb this past weekend, and running well, albeit only to 1/2 throttle.<br /><br />So as of this afternoon, the spark (& plug) is good, good fuel is flowing to the carb, carb has been rebuilt per specs, but still no (as of now - apparently earlier not enough) fuel in cylinder. The only remaining thing I can think of is a maybe a problem with the reed or intake ports. (closed all the time now, as no fuel in cylinder, maybe previously only partially or intermittently?) It was running this past weekend (although not well). Only change since then is the replaced fueL lines, cleaned fuel petcock, and different plug. Took a quick look at the reed for curiosity's sake below the intake manifold when the carb was off this past weekend, no obvious issue - break, crack or other, but I don't know what I'm looking for, I'm a CPA, for Christ's sake, and my (limited) knowledge of motors is mostly from shop classes in high school 35 years ago, and those were 4-strokes, plus I got a "C-". Is a new reed assembly even available for this motor? What have I (actually now, WE - thanks for all the help, guys!!!!) missed?
 

Goodoleboy

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

If it were me I would check for an air leak. If I couldnt find one then Idd put my hand over that little rascals carb. and try starting.<br /><br />If it dosent fire that way I would squirt fuel down its little throat until it drowns or fires off. Try to keep it running by contuening to squirt fuel into it. Idd try to keep it running for a minute or so mabey it will unclog something..Be careful about over reving if its not in water.<br /><br />If at this point it still wont run on its own, and I was absouletly sure that the carb. is clean and also adjusted right. <br /><br />I would then buy a new carb. If that dosent work I would un do it from the boat and throw it as far as I could send it in the deepest part of the lake.<br /><br />I would then go buy a new 50 pound thrust electric trolling motor.....Grin!<br /><br />Good luck!
 

ljohns5582

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Re: We're stumped -79 Evinrude 2 hp

Try looking for an air leak around the silver plug on the carb. i used silicon on a 5.5hp and that fixed mine.
 
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