What Can We Learn From Hezbolla?

[jtexas]

Reconstruction, that's what. Apparently they've been in the business for 25 years.

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[KaGee]

Re: What Can We Learn From Hezbolla?

We can learn that the cash they been handing out lately to assist the locals is all counterfit US Dollars!

 

[Boomyal]

Re: What Can We Learn From Hezbolla?

We can also learn that those with a propensity to lean far to the left will go to any length to legitimize the opposition.

 

[jtexas]

Re: What Can We Learn From Hezbolla?

Boomyal, do you see no value in knowing your opponents' strengths?

 

[QC]

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Jihad Destruction, oops I mean Construction - we rebuild your homes because we hide among them . . .

Bleeeecccccccchhhhh!!!!!! Their strengths are lies!!!! What is your flipped up point jtex? That we should aspire to deceive those who we pretend to protect? I am sorry, but it's like you got a lobotomy since your self imposed DC hiatus . . . Will the real, non-fish humping, jtex please stand up?

 

[rodbolt]

Re: What Can We Learn From Hezbolla?

had our policy in the mideast beeen driven by rationality and aid we would not be here today.
however it was driven by oil and an irrational fear of commies and here we are.
now its gonna be driven by a fear they will row over and throw rocks.
in the past 20 years or so Hezbollah has done nasty things, they have also built schools,religios facilities,hospitals and job training facilities while all the west did was place sanctions on a reagion we really dont care about.
so the average middle easterner that just had their kids life saved or teeth fixed by a hezbollah Dr or program is gonna support the west over hezbollah.
whats funny is the failed policy of the middle east is being used by the US in latin america. wanna bet on the odds of it working so well there too ?
what most tend to forget is Islam is like chritianity in the fact that there is maybe more than one sect.
most govts yak yak yak, keeps support up. even ours does a lot of yakking.
however if given aid and assistance rather than constant sanctions we could have lessened the support for various hate groups. we did not and have not and now the support has grown.
I wonder how many non-western supporters the past 3 years has created.
so while I dont like the hezbollah hate group I understand how and why the have such support.

 

[jtexas]

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point, QC?

Surprised that a person of your intellect would need it spelled out.

rodbolt said it pretty well: "so the average middle easterner that just had their kids life saved or teeth fixed by a hezbollah Dr or program [sarcasm] is gonna support the west over hezbollah."[/sarcasm]

I inserted the sarcasm markers for you.

They (hezbolla) are playing us (the West plus Israel) for fools. Get your head out the sand!

 

[QC]

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jtex,

I understand the goal of Hezbollah. Yes we can, do and should buy allegiance. I just have a hard time with the blurring of morality. I can't personally say that we should act like Hezbollah while ignoring their goals (murder of an entire race/religion/country) and using those they assist as human shields. I think I understand your point even though I asked you to clarify: attract more ants with honey. With that understood, it would be nice if someone condemned them as the murderers and terrorists that they are while simultaneously promoting their tactics . . . These are not people to be emulated, these are people to be despised, exposed, eradicated.

It is interesting that rodbolt brought up Latin America. I met a Peruvian customer last week. He currently lives in Caracas. I asked him about Chavez. He said that he blames the US for his rise to power. However, he blames the US because we give aid without requiring anything in return. Blank checks = spoiled children. To be fair, this is a wealthy man, and his view of things is I'm sure much different than those most enamored by thugs like Chavez, but I thought it was interesting that he blamed US attempts to buy allegiance. Maybe he is agreeing with Hezbollah's tactics. Build stuff, directly help people, don't just send money. Again though, what gets my hackles up is not recognizing that our tactics are driven by freedom, theirs are driven by hatred.

 

[txswinner]

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And our government does not blur things as the rulers of our country are honest, truthful and forthright with only the best wishes of the people in their heart.

Now let us talk about the head in the sand or maybe up uranus.

 

[jtexas]

Re: What Can We Learn From Hezbolla?

Hezbolla are murderers and terrorists.
Isn't that redundant?

Maybe not for your average couch potato American whose idea of "news" is "what did Britney Spears name her baby".

On the other hand "Hezbolla are murderers and terrorists" is editorial - not news. "Hezbolla murdered and terrorized" - that's news.

 

[QC]

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They qualify for redundancy . . .

 

[rolmops]

Re: What Can We Learn From Hezbolla?

It is always a smart thing to study your enemy.This goes for Hezbollah as well.
They came to bloom in an environment where nobody cared about the poor and all the leaders just took advantage of the local people.
They understand that the only thing you have when you are very poor is your religion and they give hope to these poor buggers by giving them housing schooling and health,all in the name of religion.
Hezbollah is not corrupt, they live strictly according to their religion and their leader does not make empty promises.He fulfills promises and even admits his mistakes in public.
Another thing hezbollah has given to the southern lebanese is self respect and proof that the arabs can also be succesful warriors.Their soldiers or terrorists are very well trained and very disciplined and they gladly die for their beliefs,although so far there have been no hezbollah suicide attacks.
This is what makes hezbollah a lot more dangerous than other organisations and a lot harder to beat.
Like it or not, they are a formidable enemy that has the support of the local population because of the support it lends to the local people.
This is probably an enemy who can only be destroyed from within.Only if they become corrupted will they be destroyed

 

[PW2]

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This thread will clearly display why the foreign policy of the right will continually lead us into deeper and deeper crisis in the middle east.

It will of course be someone else's fault, which makes it ok, I suppose.

 

[Plainsman]

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had our policy in the mideast beeen driven by rationality and aid we would not be here today.

Give them aid? Haven't we been doing that? Where is Arafats wife living with their millions that we gave them, "supposedly" for the palistinian people? FRANCE!
Enough aid, enough talking!
You can not talk to these whakcos. They want us (the west) dead, giving "aid" only beefs up their arms.
If you want to send aid, send food and medical only, no cash.

 

[rodbolt]

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as long as our policies are profit drien we will only get more of the same.
its just life.
funny Chavez's policy was mentioned. I spend 3 months or so a year in the caracas/rio chico area.
depending on who you chat with Chavez is either a monster or a savior.
however some of his social and health care programs have given him lifetime support from the poor, which are like 70% of the population.
how did he do it you ask? he did it with oil money and cuban dr's.
VE just opened one of the largest child cardiatric hospitals in the world.
he has placed clinics in barrio's that before had nothing.
in other words he is doing excactly what hezbollah started 20 some odd years ago. whats our current administration doing? other than poking a very large energy supplier with a sharp stick.
if chavez wins the election in dec you can bet we wont see any VE oil after 2009 or so.
not only will china get it but it will be mostly hauled on new chinese built oil tankers while the US closes more ship yards.
I dont like all of Chavez's ideals but most of his programs have been moderatly succesful.
the US had a chance back in 2000 and then again in 02. the wonderful planning of the cabinet precluded it.
but once outside caracas its a wonderful country and the fishing is outrageous and americans are very well liked.

 

[jtexas]

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Before we go takin on any new aid projects, how bout we finish the one we started? Reconstructing Iraq?

 

[agitator]

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Golly, now that I have found out how generous and progressive Hezbolla is I should look forward to them arriving over here and setting up shop. Sounds like some of our posters are ready to help them dig tunnels.:devil:

 

[Boomyal]

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Sounds like some of our posters are ready to help them dig tunnels.:devil:

Better that you find this out sooner than later agitator. Don't forget, we are the bad guys. We, the evil white europeans with the Judeo-Christian beliefs, are the root and cause of all of the world problems. None of the rest of the world has any responsibily to quit behaving in destructive ways, cast off destructive beliefs and pull themselves up by the boot straps. What the heck, half of Mexico just voted for virulent socialists. Gotta all be our fault.

We know this to be true because we have been being told this, for nigh onto forty years, by those amongst us who feel if they denigrate and flog themselves enough it will get them into some form of heaven. This is their godless form of salvation.

Oh, and by the way, we could of learned a lot from Mussolini too. He made the Italian trains run on time. He must have been quite the guy to emulate.

 

[jtexas]

Re: What Can We Learn From Hezbolla?

guess who ---->

"what? my enemy is capable of doing something better than me? well, don't tell me about it! I don't want to know! In fact, since you told me about it, you must be one of them!"

 

[txswinner]

Re: What Can We Learn From Hezbolla?

America and American politicians were once proud to be supported by GRASSROOTS American citizens. No longer is this the case as big money is where they follow and use of it in elections gets them back into office. The American people are blind for now.

Chavez, Hezbolla, Ho Chi Ming, and on did just that. They all get their power from the people. They help the poor with healthcare, homes, and education. The people recognize this and see how much better they are and stand behind them. Yes they are willing to die for those who raised their families out of the terrible conditions they were born into.

We better wake up America and get our government back to the people.

Some here seem to think nothing can be learned from those that do not agree with our ideology. If that is so then burn the books, do not recognize their success or what gives them power. Make everyone just like us. Oops I think Hilter tried that.