What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

Volant

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Hi all! A newbie on board<br /> :) <br /> <br />I plan to use my first watercraft on lakes and Gulf of Mexico (on fresh and salt water). It needs to be able to mount a 15-20HP motor. It should be able to fit into a car and to be easily transported from the car to the stream. So, I have just one option - inflatable boat. <br /><br /><br />I have seen some descriptions of inflatable boats such as SeaEagle, Zodiac, Mercury, and so on, but I have no idea what to choose. Never owned a boat, so, they all look the same to me. <br /><br />What brand would you recommend? <br /><br /><br />Thank you in advance!
 

Alex65

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

Hi all! A newbie on board<br /> <br /><br />I plan to use my first watercraft on lakes and Gulf of Mexico (on fresh and salt water). It needs to be able to mount a 15-20HP motor. It should be able to fit into a car and to be easily transported from the car to the stream. So, I have just one option - inflatable boat. <br /><br /><br />I have seen some descriptions of inflatable boats such as SeaEagle, Zodiac, Mercury, and so on, but I have no idea what to choose. Never owned a boat, so, they all look the same to me. <br /><br />What brand would you recommend? <br /><br /><br />Thank you in advance! <br /><br />If your looking for a 15-20 HP engine that's on the lighter side, I would recommend a 2-Stroke. All the 15-20 HP 4-Strokes are on the heavier side (115 lbs. & up) <br /><br />Check out the Yamaha 15-20 HP, as I recall, their weight is appx. 80 lbs. I just bought a Tohatsu 9.8 HP OB & it's weight is only 57 lbs.! I think you'll need a little for more then that for 4-5 people. <br /><br />As for inflatables, look @ a brand called "Achilles" These are excellent inflatables for the money!!! You're getting Hypalon fabric @ a reasonable price. <br /><br />Here's a link to a company that I deal with. They have almost every OB & inflatable known to man. Here's the link:<br /><br />www.defender.com/inflatable_prices.html<br /><br />Also, stay away from SeaEagle (it's junk) & try & stick with Hypalon fabric vs. PVC. Zodiac, Mercury (Merc doesn't make some Hypalon inflatables) use PVC. Although PVC is lighter, it just doesn't hold-up as well over time.<br /><br />Good luck with your purchase.<br /><br />Alex
 

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Volant,<br /><br />I bought one of those "Achilles" this past spring myself. I've had a few inflatables before but this ones different, it has the inflatable high pressure floor. I got the 10'4". It's rated for 4 but I think 2 would be max. for any extended running (plus the dog). They have a 11'2" and a 12'2" version as well, be prepared though-$$$$. Cool thing is not having to put the floorboards together and take them apart, that's a pain. They make an aluminum floor that rolls up as well. Heavier though, but if you plan on having friends every time you go out, this might be a better choice. Just curious, why not get a small trailer boat, aluminum 16 footer's a lot more rugged. Keep us informed and good luck!<br /><br />Alex 65-At least we agree on the inflatable choice :D <br /><br />Edit-here's a link for.....<br /><br /> Achilles home
 

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

Thanks Alex65 and Luna Sea! Valuable information!<br /><br />Decided to buy "Achilles" LSI-112. http://www.defender.com/inflatables/inflatable_project/achilles/achilles_lsi.htm <br />Length - 11’2”. <br />Capacity - 1620lbs. <br />Max HP/Weight - 15/99.<br /><br /><br />What is the best place to buy it?<br />?? - http://www.defender.com/inflatable_prices.html - ??? <br /><br />What motor would you recommend for that boat?<br /><br />Luna Sea, which Achilles do you have? LSI? Will it fit into a midle size sedan trunk when deflated? <br />What motor do you use?<br />What brand would you recommend?<br /><br />Oh! Too much questions. :) <br /><br />Once again - thank you for you help!<br /><br />-Alex<br /><br />-------------------<br />Luna Sea>> Just curious, why not get a small<br />Luna Sea>> trailer boat, aluminum 16 footer's a lot more rugged. <br /><br />Do not have truck, do not want to trail, do not have space to store the boat. So, ibflatable is the only option for me.
 

Alex65

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

What is the best place to buy it?<br />?? - http://www.defender.com/inflatable_prices.html - ??? <br /><br />What motor would you recommend for that boat?<br /><br /><br />Check around too see what dealers are in your area. If not, I found Defender had the best prices. It's too bad last week they had "Boat Show" pricing. I bet that Achilles was $100.00-$120.00 cheaper. If you can holdout, Defender has about 4 or 5 sales a year like this.<br /><br />LunaSea likes Johnson engines. Never been a huge fan of OMC/Bomb. but they do have a loyal following. Yamaha's will run a little more then a Mercury or Johnson but they have great features, like 100:1 oil ratio etc. <br /><br />Do a search on the web for Yamaha outboards, there's a cutthroat price dealer in Virgina called like Tom's Outboards or something. I priced out a Yamaha 15HP for like $1649.00 plus $200.00 shipping. Excellent price! <br /><br />I didn't buy the Yamaha & went with the Tohatsu 9.8 HP. I scored that for $1200.00 brand new. <br /><br />Again, good luck with your purchase. Also, check back too see what direction you went in.<br /><br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Alex
 

Luna Sea

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

Volant,<br /><br />I have the LSI 104, I can't find the "folded up" dimensions for Achilles, I'm guessing mine folds to approx. 40" x 22" x 14" if rolled up properly. Your's has gained 19 lbs over mine though, from the extra foot and the 18" tubes. I bet it will fit in your trunk still though. But doubt you'll get the motor in there too! Maybe you can put a kicker motor bracket on the back ou your car? (joke) Just wouldnt wanna see the boat get damaged from the motor. That could end up being a back seat item, and don't forget the gas tank, life preservers, coolers........ You'll manage though. Look on the net at all motors 10 and 15 horse, choose the lightest, 10's and 15's seem to weigh the same from similar manufacturers.<br />That Nissan/Tohatsu 9.8 may be your "trunk motor" Good luck and keep us informed. You'll be surprised how fast these pump up!
 

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Volant,<br /><br />I found the rolled up specs:<br /><br />10'4" is 45"L x 20"W x 13"H<br /><br />11'2" is 50"L x 24"W x 23"H<br /><br />And these are for a "neatly" rolled up one, when I'm lazy/hurried I'm sure it's a little larger.<br /><br />Here's a link with a pic. of one rolled up.....<br /><br /> rolled up
 

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

Volant, I had a SeaEagle a few years ago and it was very prone to punctures. I would go with a more high tech fabric.
 

Volant

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

Alex65, Quantumleap, Luna THANK YOU!!!<br /><br />Have found Yamaha 15 2-Stroke short shaft for $1900 here in Dallas. <br />Will have to pay taxes (+6.5% = +$123)<br /><br />Is that a good price for a new motor?<br /><br />Luna Sea, is 15 in. shaft good for Achilles?<br /><br /> Once again - thank you, guys! <br />If anyone of you is in Dallas - let me know! We have a lot of huge lakes here :) )
 

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

Originally posted by Alex65:<br /> Do a search on the web for Yamaha outboards, there's a cutthroat price dealer in Virgina called like Tom's Outboards or something. I priced out a Yamaha 15HP for like $1649.00 plus $200.00 shipping. Excellent price! <br />
Great price indeed!<br />But I was not able to find the dealer :( <br />Do you remember the name of the city where the dealer located, by any chance?
 

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Volant,<br /><br />Yes it takes a 15" shaft.<br /><br />Yes that's a good price on the Yamaha.<br /><br />You may do a little better on the net, but there's a downside to that. It's an "engine" that may require servicing, warranty work and/or parts. Nothing like having a local dealer "remember" you buying it there in the middle of boating season when you need a "quick fix". Versus "we'll have it for you in 4-6 weeks" :confused: <br /><br />I shopped and almost bought one on the net but the shipping charges seemed to override the big discount savings. And I read some posts on here that stated the reason places like "Bobs Furniture Discount Warehouse Bargain Store" can sell them so cheap is cause they never have to deal with "customers". And it was nice to see it run before leaving the "service center" as well!<br /><br />Good luck, and let us know how everything works out. Would like to hear how everything fits in the car. :D
 

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

Thanks, Luna Sea!<br /><br /><br />Big day today - taking the motor home :) ))<br /><br /><br />BTW, Do you know what the difference between Achilles LSI 112 and Achilles SPD 112 is?<br /> http://www.defender.com/inflatables/inflatable_project/achilles/achilles_spd.htm <br /><br /> http://www.defender.com/inflatables/inflatable_project/achilles/achilles_lsi.htm <br /><br />SPD 112 (I hope SPD stands for SPEED :) ) has Foam-matted floorboards<br />LSI 112 does not have floorboards - just high-pressure air floors (is that good?).<br />LSI tube diameter is larger than SPD one.<br /><br />Everything else seemed to be the same.<br /><br />Which one would you choose and why?<br /><br />TIA!
 

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Volant,<br /><br />Short answer-34 lbs.<br /><br />Long answer-Assembly difficult, Disassembly when wet-more difficult.<br /><br />I’ve had a few, and known many people who’ve had the wood floorboards (foam matted-same theory, just a more “modern” material). Most people trailer this type of boat, or leave them inflated at the docks. The manual shows someone bent over, in a compromising position I might ad, pushing the front 2 boards down, while standing on the back 2, then you gotta get on your knees and add the side stiffeners. If you only use it a couple times a year, this may be good for you. If you’re out having “fun”, disassembly is not fun, getting the side stiffeners out, I’ve busted off a few nails and become frustrated and got little wooden blocks to tap them away from the floors. This all takes place with the tube rubber on top of your hands too. If you plan on putting “heavy” items in the boat this is what you need though. And also, it’s rated better for “performance” too. The light rollup is a little sqirrily, course I haven’t used it with a full load yet<br /><br />The rollup model with the air floor, unroll it and pump it up. I love mine, easy to setup, deflatings even easier. I launch alone and stay out overnight (have bigger boat) So assy time and lightweight were my deciding factors. With my air floor though, I watch what I put on it. Bare feet rule!<br /><br />If I wanted the heavy rugged duty, I’d choose the LSR cause the aluminum floor rolls up, think they only go to 10’4” with those though.<br /><br />Find the Zodiac site, I know their brochure explains what floor types suit different peoples needs<br /><br />Hope this helps<br /><br />Here’s the Achilles site…….<br /><br /> web page
 

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And one more for you Volant,<br /><br /> Zodiac floor choices <br /><br />I couldn't find this on Zodiacs site but a Google search found it on a dealers site, read "floorboards" <br /><br />That said, you're not commited to Achilles (hypalon), I think Zodiac makes one with a rollup PVC floor. The hypalon is most critical when storing it outside in the sun, but it's also "tougher" I believe<br /><br />I do know you'll regret having to mess with the floorboards though. :p
 

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If your questions are answered, your decision is......... (drumroll) :D <br /><br />Ps Hopefully you won't be needing that book for a long long time! (repairs) :eek:
 

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

If I wanted the heavy rugged duty, I’d choose the LSR cause the aluminum floor rolls up, think they only go to 10’4” with those though<br /><br />I agree 100% with LunaSea. Go with the LSR w/ the aluminum rool-up floors. The problem with the LSI, it's "air-floor" takes up some of the space from the floor to the top of the tube. <br /><br />I have a Rigid-Hull (aluminum) Force Four inflatbale (PVC) & I have been lucky it's held up so well for 6 years now (knock on wood) If something "major" happened to it, I would hesitate to pick up the LSR (my first choice) <br /><br />Good luck with the new Yamaha 15!<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Alex
 

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I would hesitate to pick up the LSR (my first choice) <br /><br />I meant to sat "wouldn't"<br /><br />LunaSea: You're from Beverly? I live in Magnolia! I keep my boat on a mooring in Kettle Cove! Do you get up this way often?<br /><br />Alex
 

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Unfortunately the al. rollup only comes in 9'6" and 10'4" models. And the 10'4" is max. 10 horse.<br /><br />I just looked at Zodiacs site, maybe it's Bombard that makes the pvc rollup floor in an 11 foot size. <br /><br />Now that I think about it, the air floor does take away some depth. Hasn't bothered me none, but it's a valid point.<br /><br />Yes Alex,I thought you picked up on that when you were outboard shopping/posting, thought I mentioned Browns. My Johnson came from Riverfront, I used to be up on the Parker River. They owned that Marina so I didn't mind giving them the business. My Grady's over by the Beverly Bridge, near the mouth of the North River. I go to Misery all the time. If I go to Kettle, you'll see a Grady called "Figment", with the Achilles and the mutt. Drop by if you do.<br /><br />Taking Monday off so I can camp out in Gloucester Sunday night and hear the Kabooms!
 

rochester

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Re: What do you recommend for a 4-5 person watercraft?

I had a 11'6" Zodiac with wooden floor that I ran with a brand-new (at the time) Evinrude 8hp. With a 10hp, it jumped out of the water, but with the 8 hp I could only get it to plane with me in it, or me and my very small boy(at the time) so I'd get as big a motor as you can. You said 15-20 hp, and that's not a bad plan. The thing that I really had not accounted for when I bought it was, yup, it could carry the weight of 4-5 people, but boy was it crowded, and if you wanted to bring anything with, like fishing gear, etc., well, it was almost impossible. You've gotta make room for the gas tank too. It was so crowded with my wife and I and two little kids that it really wasn't much fun. With two people it was okay. I didn't keep it for very long, and I bought a 19-foot Grumman sq. stern canoe from my uncle (http://www.marathonboat.com/canoes2.htm). Five of us could fit in it comfortably (two sitting on coolers, or one on a cooler and two in the middle seat... and it's wide enough), and all paddle. Weight cap. is 1000 lbs. I could leave it outside if I wanted, because it was aluminum. I traded my 8hp to my dad for his 6hp, because the Grumman was only rated for a 5hp. I popped the 6 hp badge off from it (wink). I saw one up in the Boundary Waters running with a 10 hp, so I wasn't too worried. Believe it or not, it planes with three adults in it. Probably because of the length. I bought a sail rig for it at a garage sale, and sailed it on some pretty rough lakes. It is very stable. That canoe is heavy, but we car-topped it for years, sometimes on pretty small cars, using Thule and Yakima roof racks... and I could load it myself after I got a system down. By small, I mean, my son still car-tops it on a 1996 Dodge Neon. It does look kinda funny. I still own the beast, er canoe... it's over 30 years old. It's going to be a hand-me-down. My two older kids, who are in their 20s, both want it. That was the best money I ever spent on watercraft, and the only thing I would have done different is get an outboard with a built-in gas tank. You can find 5hp motors with integral tanks. I don't know if you have a place you could just leave a canoe outside, but I hung that baby from the ceiling of my garage using a hoist I designed to get it out of the way. Harken now sells one that is just like the one I designed... should've gone to market with that. I know this isn't probably what you were lookin' to hear, but I thought I'd run it by you anyway.
 
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