What do you think of Armor All?

Mark42

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Do you think that "Original Formula" Armor All keeps rubber and vinyl soft? Think it prevents cracking of rubber and vinyl? Is it worth applying other than for the nice shiny look?
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

Do you think that "Original Formula" Armor All keeps rubber and vinyl soft? Think it prevents cracking of rubber and vinyl? Is it worth applying other than for the nice shiny look?

It looks nice but the dash board in my older chevy cracked (just like they all did) so it didn't stop mine. It did look purdy... I heard some guys said it made it worse.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

I think 303 lasts longer on my dash.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

Armorall is the biggest scam since WD40. It hastens the deterioration of rubber and vinyl while giving you a short term fix in appearance.

One of the reasons that vinyl shrinks and cracks is because it gives up its essential oils. You need to find a product that seals the vinyl and adds some UV protection to it.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

Sorry, but I don't believe Armor All damages rubber or vinyl. First, if it did I doubt the company would still be in business after nearly 4 decades. Secondly, I would have a bunch of cracked vinyl, which I don't.

As far as boats goes, when I bought my 1985 boat in 1996, the original owner told me he put Armor All on the seats after every trip out. I kept up with the routine. the boat still has like new vinyl seats. Not a single crack.

I've got four 4 wheeled vehicles with the newest being a 1994. I have always used Armor All on them. None have cracked vinyl or plastic.
 

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I used Armorall, on the dash (and all other rubber/plastic) on my brand new 1980 Toyota pickup, for the 16 years I owned it. Dash looked new the entire time. If I saw a similar vehicle during that time, the dash always had cracks in it, after only a few years. I sold the truck and happend to see it on the street two years later. The dash had starting cracking.

Armorall has always advertised UV protection

FWIW, I guess I should be an Armorall fan for life, but now I usually buy whats on sale (Son-of-a-gun,etc.). They all seem to work, at least better than nothing.

I once knew a guy who "Waxed" his entire car with Armorall. Looked pretty good to me.

Better than nothing, IMO.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

Thanks everyone for your opinions and experiences.

Armor All is mostly silicone and surfactants as per their website:

... Armor All? Original Shine Protectant contains water-based silicone emulsions, surfactants, and ultraviolet light inhibitors, humectants, dispersants and gloss enhancers.
I was always under the impression that Armor All kept rubber and vinyl soft, and softened hardening rubber and vinyl. But the ingredients are not rubber or vinyl softeners/plasticizers. So I guess (based on the ingredients) it just makes the surface slick, shiny and UV protected.

I'll continue to use it (especially on the 98 Firebird) until I find a product that actually penetrates and replaces the plasticizers lost to heat, sun and time.

Thanks!

Mark

PS, Humectants: Any substance that is added to another substance to keep it moist. (I had to look up the definition, kind of neat word).
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

Thanks everyone for your opinions and experiences.

Armor All is mostly silicone and surfactants as per their website:

I was always under the impression that Armor All kept rubber and vinyl soft, and softened hardening rubber and vinyl. But the ingredients are not rubber or vinyl softeners/plasticizers. So I guess (based on the ingredients) it just makes the surface slick, shiny and UV protected.

I'll continue to use it (especially on the 98 Firebird) until I find a product that actually penetrates and replaces the plasticizers lost to heat, sun and time.

Thanks!

Mark

PS, Humectants: Any substance that is added to another substance to keep it moist. (I had to look up the definition, kind of neat word).

IMO, it's UV light that destroys plastic and rubber, more than heat or time. Thats why PVC and ABS pipe, are only suitable for outdoor use, if they are buried, protecting them from UV light. Otherwise, they age relatively quick.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

Armorall works well if you keep up on it and Armorall it on a regular basses. Extreme cold with Armorall vinyl in my opinion is a bad combination due to the silicone in the Armorall gets very brittle.

In my opinion Murphy,s oil soap works the best and you don,t get the glossily look. Just a nice clean look and the vinyl stays pliable.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

303 protectant contains plasticizers armorall does not. It lasts longer too. Ifabricate marine upholstry. This is the only product I recomend for vynil. I have also sucessfully used it to restore oxidised non skid dark green gell coat.
 

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I Armor All'ed the boat seats "1" time...

The seats were soooo slick that the passengers in the rear facing seats would be sitting on the deck, after gunning the engine,,,, if they didn't brace themselves. I had to wash that carp off.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

I hate the stuff. Will never ever use it again. If you use it on your dash, it leaves a film on the inside of your windshield that is a pain to get off.
 

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I Armor All'ed the boat seats "1" time...

The seats were soooo slick that the passengers in the rear facing seats would be sitting on the deck, after gunning the engine,,,, if they didn't brace themselves. I had to wash that carp off.

Yep, been there. GF (now wife) cleaned up my truck once....AA'd the vinyl seat and all three pedals! Probably the only time I ever threatened her with bodily harm and meant it :D


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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

I hate the stuff. Will never ever use it again. If you use it on your dash, it leaves a film on the inside of your windshield that is a pain to get off.

I have to agree..... the film that forms on the windshield is terrible and creates allot of work. :(
 

Mark42

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

303 protectant contains plasticizers armorall does not. It lasts longer too. Ifabricate marine upholstry. This is the only product I recomend for vynil. I have also sucessfully used it to restore oxidised non skid dark green gell coat.

Ok, so 303 it is. Will have to look for this product. Is it sold at most department stores? IE Walmart, Kmart, etc?
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

Not sure if you can get it at Wally world, or Kmart. At least around here it is not. Check around with the higher end retailers in your area- Marine suppliers, motorcycle dealerships, ect....
You can also order the stuff from online sellers, and can probably access their corporate web site to get a list of sellers in your area.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

Google 303, they offer a "free" sample, you pay S&H. I wasn't impressed enough to buy more.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

IMO, it's UV light that destroys plastic and rubber, more than heat or time. Thats why PVC and ABS pipe, are only suitable for outdoor use, if they are buried, protecting them from UV light. Otherwise, they age relatively quick.

Here's where I get confused. My car has what is advertised as UV tinted glass. I actually have a UV meter and the glass does block UV light.

HOWEVER... My sons black car seat is now purple due to sun bleaching. I bought a big bottle of :Son of a gun" protectant years ago and every once in a blue moon I use that on the car. I find that the protectant just gives the dust something to stick to and prefer to just wipe the dust off without protectant when I am stuck in traffic. (yes I keep clean wash cloths in the well of my drivers door)
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

My only slightly substantiated anecdotal opinion: Armor-all is fine as long as you keep using it. If you stop though, it's worse than if you never used it. Whatever you used it one seems to deteriorate more quickly.

I usually use Black Magic stuff (though for all I know it could well be the same darn thing!) and it works well without being too shiny. I don't remember what it was I used a few years ago that was so sticky it made a mess of everything and attracted dust horribly. I think it was Finish 2001.
 

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Re: What do you think of Armor All?

In 1998 I custom ordered a brand new Camaro with tan leather interior and T-top roof. One day early in its life, a plastic bag with oil bottles (plastic quarts) was set on the passenger seat. A 10 minute drive home and the bag is removed only to find the blue lettering from the company logo is on the seat. Apparently something was on the outside of the bag (motor oil, maybe brake fluid, who knows..) that bled the ink off the bag into the leather seat. I freaked! Tried all sorts of cleaners, but did not want to rub the surface coating off the leather. Ended up with a baby blue stain covering about a 10" wide circle on the seat.

A few days later the car was in the parking lot at work (large lot, few hundred cars) with the T-tops off. When I came out after work, the sun had bleached the stain 100% gone. No kidding. 100% gone. Could not even see a shadow.

And that is the power of the sun.

Don't read further if you don't want my take on Consumer Reports.

BTW, I ran that '98 to 160K miles. Not once did I have to bring it in for warranty work (unless a recall was issued). Car ran like a top, handled fabulous. I kept the entire car 100% stock, not changing anything, even the exhaust because it had a great optional performance system in stainless. Also, because it was a custom order, I got everything the way I wanted it, so I had no incentive to modify. I did do all regular maint, and that included regular breaks, tires, and one clutch. If you look at Consumer Reports for that year Camaro/firebird you will see they are scored low. I believe that Consumer Reports deliberately under rated and down graded American cars of that time purposely. There is no way I can have 100% perfect failure rate, and they rate the car overall at below average.

I sold the car to a guy at work for his son. At that time, there was no rust or dents. Most of the body panels except rear fenders and hood were fiberglass (FRP) like the Vettes of that era. For the next 4 or 5 years, he would always mention what a great buy that car was because it just ran and ran and always looked good (it was bright red). His son sold the car and that was the last I heard of it.

On a second note, the great performance and bullit proof performance of that 98 Camaro is why I bought a used 98 Firebird last year. The (bright red) Firebird had 27K miles and today it has just over 50K miles. I have replaced a number of suspension parts for performance reasons, and also installed an aftermarket exhaust, trans oil cooler, reprogrammed the computer, and installed a posi with steeper gears. Other than that, the car remains stock. There was one failure in the alternator. I replaced it with a new Delco (not reman) and all has been fine since. Again, 12 years later, a 1998 product is performing above average.

I really believe that most of the poor ratings of these classic American performance cars is just because they get ABUSED.

Please excuse my rant.
 
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