what is it, and is it worth keeping?

marshall

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I just got this 4 hp outboard from a guy,I have never worked on an outboard, but willing to try.<br />model # 4w79d It say's seahorse on the back of the motor. how many pistons? it has two sparkplugs the motor has been hanging in a garage for 14 years, the original gas is still in the tank. the guy I got it from claims it was running great when he hung it up in 1988. any help or info on what I should look for before I try and fire this up would be greatly appreciated. thanks, bassontap
 

digimortal777

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

empty out the gas from the trank 14 year old gas might not even be flammable anymore lol<br /><br />id say ts a 2 cylender by the sounds of it<br /><br />my uncle has a 4hp johnson and its a good runner its definatly worht keping <br /><br />changfe the plugs and strip the carb down , clean it out<br /><br />get someone in the know to check out the impller and water pump cos they will more than likley need changing<br /><br />put it on the back of a boat or in a barrel and fire her up<br />klet us know how u get on
 

iRich

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

It would have two pistons if it has two spark plugs. Get rid of the old gas, it is now varnish and try to flush all the old gas out of the system. Then give her a try.<br /><br />Rich
 

marshall

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

this changing the impeller and water pump sound expensive? I'll do it if need be, also, does this little motor have any oil in the lower unit or just grease? I cant seem to find any place to drain it if it has? <br /> Bassontap
 

Hooty

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

That's a '79 Johnson Seahores. Manuals are available.<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty
 

marshall

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

thanks ya'll, I'll go get a manual hooty, and hope there isn't much I have to do to get this thing running.<br /> Bassontap
 

aeronutt29

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

That motor isn't worth keeping. Send it to me instead :D <br /><br />Since you stated that you don't have much experience working on outboards, I strongly recommend wasting..er, "investing" a few hours reading through old postings on this BBS. You will learn a lot! <br /><br />I've done several revivals of motors that sat up for a long time so I'll give a few pointers:<br /><br />1) As mentioned earlier, the old gas must go and everything that it touched must be thoroughly cleaned. Replace the gas line. Wouldn't be a bad idea to remove the gas tank completely and have your local motor machine shop dunk it in their hot tank. This will probably remove the paint so have some ready. As long as you are making the trip, take the carburetor to the machine shop too. They have a bucket of VERY caustic stuff to dunk it in that will make it look brand new too. Make sure you don't let any plastic or rubber parts go through the dunk tank because they won't come back out! The carburetor needs to be dismantled before being dunked, but let the machine shop do it. Less chance to loose a tiny part that way. If you choose to clean the carburetor yourself, be very careful to keep everything laid out on a clean white paper towel in the exact order that it comes out. Don't spare to Gumout! Use it liberally on everything and make sure you spray it directly through the jets in both directions. Wear eye protection while doing this! <br /><br />2) Remove the spark plug and spray penetrating/cleaning oil (WD-40, Liquid Wrench, Deep Creep, etc) all around. I used WD-40 before, but now that I've discovered Deep Creep it's all I use. It's available at most marine service counters and costs about $8. You can't use too much. There is a good chance that some rust has formed on the rings and the penetrating oil will soften it up and reduce the chances of breaking one. Turn the motor over by hand a few times and then spray some more. <br /><br />3) The water pump was designed to be replaced periodically. Yours is WAY overdue. Basic mechanical skill is all that's required because you just start unbolting stuff until you get to it. Assemble it all in the reverse order. A manual will give better instructions, but it really is a simple job.<br /><br />4) Use WD-40 as a cleaning solvent along with paper towels/Q-tips/shop rags to clean everything that moves. Remove all of the old gummed up grease. Lubricate everything with a fresh coating of grease. DO NOT rely on the WD-40 to lubricate anything. It evaporates in a few weeks. I prefer to use marine grade wheel bearing grease on sliders and pivot points. It stays in place well and tolerates water. Some people prefer white lithium grease in a spray can, but I've never used it so I can't really say how well it would work.<br /><br />5) Put new spark plugs in no matter how good the old ones look. If the plug wires don't look so good replace them too. Chances are, you don't need new wires though.<br /><br />6) Have fun! It's going to be a few days before you are ready to take the motor on a lake, but the preparation you do now will pay off with a reliable, good running motor for years to come.
 
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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

instead of penatrating lube ive found that marvel mystery oil works amazingly well. if you can get ahold of it it works great.
 

buckman

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

i think areonutt has you going in the right direction on all points my friend. the only thing i can possibly add is that the lower end uses grease in it, and remember to use anti-sieze on all the bolts on re-installation. makes it better if you need to work on it again.<br /><br /> ----buckman----
 

marshall

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

I just wanted to let everyone know how great this website is, everyone here is ready to help every way they can. I have a new manual on order and the motor is in the shop having a new water pump and impeller installed,I dont want to take any chances, after changing the fuel lines and cleaning the carb with gumout real good, and flushing out the tank, I filled it up with fresh gas and squirted a little starting fluid in the intake and vrooomm!!! it fired up and I let it run at idol for about 15 seconds.It did great!<br />Thanks for all your input on this fellas.<br />one happy boater,<br /> Bassontap
 

Hooty

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

Coupla other things bassontap:<br />Lose the srarting fluid. It's real bad juju for 2 stroke engines. It doesn't have any lubricating properties like premix fuel.<br /><br />Don't run the engine without water, not even for a few seconds. That'll wreck the water pump and cook the engine.<br /><br />g'luck & c/6<br /><br />Hooty
 

marshall

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

hey hooty, thanks i'll keep that in mind. I am just pumped up about this motor,It runs like a champ now!!! I have just one more problem. The gas tank is plastic, and there is a lot of crap in the bottom of it? how could I flush this tank without taking it off? I thought about hanging the motor upside down and flushing it out with water?
 

aeronutt29

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

Bad idea! Water has a nasty habit of hiding in tanks. Since you've done this much work already, don't take a shortcut now. Remove the tank, dump the gas, spray some gumout into the tank and try to get a bottle brush or other mechanical cleaning tool inside to brush out all the gunk. Once it's all loose, hold the tank upside down and spray some more gumout into it to flush it out. Follow this with a high pressure air hose to blow out any last remnants. If removing the tank is a severe pain-in-the-behind, you might be able to do this by holding the whole motor upside down, but don't use water!
 

digimortal777

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

my uncle has one of these engine im pretty sure u can hook u a remote tank to it , if u can then just disconnect the main tank and abuy a 3 gallon plastic tank , they are great and last forever
 

FlyBoyMark

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Re: what is it, and is it worth keeping?

U guys keep forgetting one of the most important things for a motor sitting this long....NEW FUEL PUMP PARTS and inlet fuel screen (if equipped) ....... unless you like flakey old rubber parts through out the internals of the engine gumming up that jus' cleaned carb.....
 
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