what's a fair price?

[glust]

I've got a 1982 Johnson140 Outboard. It's a crossflow. What is a fair price for a tuneup and link n sync? I'mm not getting the cable throw on the throttle. Controller goes a long way from neutral before I see an rpm change . Only getting 3900-4000 RPM at all the way forward. It also is a little hard starting. I really think the cables just need adjusted. Never had the motor in for service before. I'm a fair mechanic but I'm officially giving up an getting the link and sync. What's a fair price for the work? Thanks. I'm in central ohio, boat at buckeye lake. thanks everyone

 

[Joe Reeves]

Link & Sync plus a compression and spark yest can be done in a hour or less... BUT... what makes you think that's going to cure your problem? Did you already change all the settings? If the engine ran properly in the past... think about it... those settings wouldn't change by themselves.

Those things you mention, you can do yourself with a little advice from us if you care to go that route. You will need a compression gauge and a air gap type spark tester though which you probably already have.

 

[glust]

Sorry, I should have given more info. compression fine. cold motor, throttle open, 120 in each, all four very close to each other. Spark is good. Throttle has always been this way. I have a manual and tried to follow procedures, but full throttle at the control only opens butterflies up about halfway. Cleaned carbs and rebuilt with new jets and gaskets. New gas, clean tank. appreciate the help. I also am not getting much from fast idle setting on controller which also leads me to cable adjustment? Key push activated choke seems to work fine. thanks guys

 

[Joe Reeves]

1982 140hp............. Disconnect throttle cable from engine. When manually pushing the vertical throttle lever where the throttle cable was originally connected, do you obtain full throttle of the carburetors now... throttle butterflies wide open (horizontal)?

 

[oldboat1]

+1. Check the motor linkage first. If no issues, adjust the remote cable to match the motor.

 

[glust]

Joe, Yes. When I disconnect the throttle cable I am able to manually move the linkage until the butterfies are fully open, (horizontal). I can move the remote handle 3/4 through its path before I see any movement in throttle linkage. When I get the remote handle all the way down, nearly parallel to the floor of the boat the butterfies are at about a 45 degree angle.

 

[glust]

I'm also finding that tracking someone down to work on a 36 year old motor isn't easy either. I appreciate everyone's help as it is beginning to look like I'm going to have to solve this myself... With all of your help of course...

 

[Joe Reeves]

The fact that you can obtain full throttle (wide open butterflies) by manually pushing the throttle linkage of the engine to wide open proves that the problem is not with the engine.

The problem lies with the control box... OR... and most likely with the throttle cable itself. The trunion (threaded thing on the cable that clamps into the engine) needs to be adjusted so that when the throttle handle of the control box is at full throttle, so is the linkage at the engine.

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Now.... look closely at the business end of the cable (the guide), the portion that attaches to the vertical throttle lever.... Is that part a factory installed piece that cannot be removed... OR... is it attached by a couple allen screws that clamp into the inner wire of that cable assembly. If the latter (allen screws), it's always possible that the cable was broken at one time and as a result, someone reinstalled that end piece on the shortened inner wire.

This results in a normal full throttle position BUT a extremely high idle rpm... OR... a normal idle and no way to obtain full throttle. The outer and inner cables are of critical measurements and cannot be changed. If a broken inner cable takes place, the entire cable must be replaced. Let us know how that "guide" is attached.
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[glust]

I am going to be out at the boat this weekend. Please do not take my lack of a speedy response as a lack of appreciation. This is exactly the info and help I think I need. Thanks, gentlemen..

 

[Joe Reeves]

I am going to be out at the boat this weekend. Please do not take my lack of a speedy response as a lack of appreciation. This is exactly the info and help I think I need. Thanks, gentlemen..

Understood... No problem.

 

[glust]

I do know that the guides on both of my cables, one for throttle, one for gear select both have the original adjusters meaning the black plastic wheels that turn on the threaded end of the cable. They are held tight once properly adjusted by a flat plate that screws tight against the wheels to prevent them from turning during normal operation. From what you have told me I think my problem therefore lies in the control box end. I will start there to make sure that the cable end in the control box is correctly attached and is being pulled the correct length. Thanks guys. More info after I get to the boat this weekend.

Geo out

 

[racerone]

I do not believe there are any adjustments in the control box on an original 1982 control box.-----There could be broken pieces in there.

 

[glust]

Ive been in that thing a hundred times wiring up tach, lubricating, etc... I don't remember seeing any type of adjustment. Could it be that something is broken or that the cam that carries the cable could be worn? Anyway, saturday or sunday I will tear into it for the hundred and first time. I appreciate all of the comment s and suggestions. I spent a whole year re-decking this beast (30 ft party hut with the swim platform on top.) . I'd like to be able to get more out of her than 11 mph. Of course I'll never blow the motor up this way will i? HA HA

 

[Joe Reeves]

You're either ignoring what I'm trying to get across to you in post reply #8 or you just scanned thru it. The threaded clamped in trunion is what one would adjust.... nothing is adjustable in the control box. Let me know how the guide is attached... factory setting or allen screws when you get to the boat.

 

[glust]

Going to try to post a picture. This is not my boat but a pic I found on the net very similar to mine.
The cable ends are black plastic with a bearing in them to ride on the cam lever post. The adjusters are the black plastic wheels. I cannot see any allen screws or evidence that the cable has been altered from stock.

 

[glust]

Absolutely no ignoring your post. Dude, you'rer a legend on here. I appreciate your time.