What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

Tinkerer2

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I regard an 18 inch wave as big enough to avoid in my 15 foot fibrglass runabout (or my 12 foot timber dinghy, which handles it about as well if a bit more energetically.).<br /><br />I never want to be in either boat if there are 3 foot waves (although in the 15 footer I slammed off one bigger than that a few weeks back coming out of the creek blind into the bay and promptly turned around again when I got a safe space). <br /><br />Naturally it depends on more than just wave height e.g. wave frequency and wind.<br /><br />I go mostly in an area where strong swift tides running crossways against strong winds can cause a nasty chop with one foot white topped waves a couple of feet apart which are a lot worse than soft swelling waves yards apart yet twice the height in more agreeable conditions in another location.<br /><br />Or am I just a *****?<br /><br />Edit: It appears that my reference to a feline animal has triggered a row of asterisks. In Australia we don't censor references to p***y cats or derivatives, but it looks like meows-meows (or moggies as we call them) have a cultural significance which was lost on me when I posted originally, notwithstading the fact that I appreciate the various slang uses of the feline descriptor in the USA. So, for ***** as it appears above, just substitute "coward".
 

record hunter

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Re: What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

4 to 8 foot waves and 25 knot winds is pretty much normal in this neck of the woods. If you don,t like that you will not catch fish and will stay at home 80 percent of the summer.
 
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DJ

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Let's put it this way. I've been in twelve feet of water and had the engine skeg hit bottom in the trough of a swell! :eek: Thank goodness, it was a sand bottom.<br /><br />That happened on Lake Erie. Not a cloud in the sky, just windy.<br /><br />Needles to say, I stayed on the wave tops, after that.<br /><br />Been in worse on Lake Michigan and Superior. Cold, windy, rain/snow and just as big waves.
 

Tinkerer2

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Re: What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

Yep, I am definitely a feline / coward.<br /><br />I do not think I am going to go fishing with you blokes.<br /><br />If you do this for relaxation,what the h**l (I figure this would be disallowed) do you do for adventure?
 

Buttanic

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Re: What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

12 to 15 feet in a nasty summer front on the Gulf of Mexico. Of course I was operating a boat up to the task, a 31 Bertram SF. I was in that washing machine for about 3 hours. Coast Guard reported winds steady 55 with gusts to 75, heavy rain and lighting. Funny part was I knew this weather had passed over my wife at home and I figured she would be worried so I called as soon as I got back to the slip. Her first words were "You should have seen the weather we had here". After that day anything less was small potatoes.<br /><br />Buttanic
 

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Re: What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

G'Day Tinkerer.<br /><br />Some boats are made for offshore, some are not. A smooth ride in a chop is no guarantee that a boat is rough-sea-worthy.<br /><br />I have looked up at water on both sides of a 16'7" Boston Whaler (I am 6'), and I have buried the bow in green water and driven her dry. I wouldn't try either in any other boat.<br /><br />On the downside, most Boston Whalers will pound your kidneys up between your shoulder blades if run fast in a 2' chop. I would rather navigate in 4'-6' than run fast in a chop.<br /><br />No worries in a Boston Whaler well piloted. :) <br /><br />What do we do for adventure? We catch 20-40lb muskys on bass tackle. :D
 

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Rigid hull inflatables are the best for heavy seas. I've had a 17 footer in 15 foot breaking surf. It's quick enough to stay out of trouble and the deep v hull lets you turn on a dime. You have to be careful when going airborne though, the torque of the engine will start to twist the boat and you can end up landing too far to one side. Avon mounts their center consoles slightly to one side to account for this. Their fun boats. :D
 

zzzzz

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Whale Cay Pass in the Abacos(Bahamas)..on a 49' Morgan sailboat..down in the trough the waves on both sides were higher than the mast :eek: :eek: :cool:
 

jam39vw995

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Re: What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

Just last weekend we were out in 2-4m seas. That's roughly 6-13 feet for you standard folks.<br />The winds were 25-30 with gusts higher.<br />It wasn't so bad but you get rouge waves that are much larger.<br />We were in a 21' Sangster, hard top. One wave spun us around a little broadside and it was a little freaky sliding sideways into a deep trough. This boat handled it very well and I'm sure it could handle more if needed but that's about my limit for comfort in a small underpowered boat.<br /><br />One thing to keep in mind though, this isn't bravado, ego or guts. You have to know your limits the the limits of your boat and your equipment or you can die.
 

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i keep my 'eye' on the marine weather websites ,tv, radio.. it's pretty much dead on accurate.. but the weather band on my<br />hand held radio drives me literally insane.. it's gotta go thru crop/wheat moisture content in READING ,PA. an mold spores in south jersey,, an blah-blah in lancaster, finally gettin' to the marine weather in my area...!! can be a 15 minute ordeal.. !! if'n ya catch it rite..<br /><br />if it's rough by WIND ..i stay on land..<br />cause it only gets windier as the day goes along..<br /><br />the problem with most,, is when your out there ,,it kicks up... then you gotta make it back...<br /><br />i got a little 16 foot hand built center console.. that thinks it's a 23 footer..<br /><br />i've been in some pretty ****pucker situations .. where i had the radio in my hand about to cry to the USCG to come get me.. <br /><br />but i calmed down.. an realized the boat's doin' fine.. it an scared.. i am...!!<br /><br />fear is a good thing..
 

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Re: What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

Most boats can handle swells of any size. I've been out in a 17 footer in 30 foot swells, and as long as you don't try to go too fast over the crests or get yourself broadside to the face of a wave, you'll be fine. Traveling in the same direction as the swells is very easy and safe if your boat is fast enough. You can literally ride the trough between two waves all the way home or to an inlet from offshore just like cruising across a calm lake. Going against the waves requires more finesse, but is still a rather simple maneuver if you know what you're doing. What you want to avoid is breaking waves. Avoid shallow bars and reefs and you will avoid breaking waves. Get someone with experience to take you out on a big weather day. You'll learn a lot.
 

ThomWV

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Re: What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

Well, just as a background, we've (my wife and I) been fishing off shore for decades now and we've seen some pretty bumpy days.<br /><br />If you have a long wave period, the sort that defines swells, the height really makes no difference at all. But those are swells, and we're taling about waves.<br /><br />Our boat is 23' and its a good boat for off shore in a trailerable size. It has a bit of bow flare and much more importantly it has a full transom. Here it is:<br />
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<br /><br />If we are out there in a typical mid atlantic 10~12 second wave period and it gets to 4 honest feet that boat will beat you to absolute death. If its up to 6 feet you start thinking about all the good and bad things you have ever done in your life.<br /><br />I might have been able to add a foot to that when I was in my 40's and maybe even 2 feet between my 20's and 30's, but now days? If the forcast says an inch above 4 feet anytime in the day I'm planning on going I simply do not go. Oh, I don't care much about the wind other than how it relates to the tide time when we plan to come back in.<br /><br />Thom
 

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When the kids were 12 and 13 I tossed them into an 18’ft open RIB and let them figure it out. It is absolutely amazing how intuitive children are! They conspired between themselves and literally worked out how to handle the swells, angle of approach, what speed was ideal, when to turn, how to cut... Then when we turned around, and without me mentioning anything about it, they ‘discovered’ they could surf the swells. :D <br /><br />With appropriate hp, a RIB can go just about anywhere. Don’t have to worry about the boat, only pilot skills. It is not always comfortable, in an open RIB you should presume you are going to get wet, but you will get there.
 

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Since I am on a lake, I don't have to worry about really huge swells, but this lake is large enough that when a storm comes up you can end up fighting 4-6 foot seas. I of course do not go out if I even think that will happen. I have been out in the bad swell a few times, but I know how to pilot a boat so I am never worried. The worst I ever have to fight is actually every July 4th, after the fireworks. You have a lot of boats, at least 75 to 100, all going in one direction, less than 100 feet apart. Most are 22+ feet. You get all those wakes converging and amplifying, your grommet is at pucker factor ten. It makes it more fun that you can't see, so you are going by feel, and watching the nav lights of the other boats. When I was 14 my sisters boyfriend schooled me on how to handle water with a skeevy little 14 foot aluminum boat. Loads of fun for a kid who couldn't swim, but the lessons have stuck with me my entire life. Now I just need to learn how to swim....
 

Tinkerer2

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Re: What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

It's occurred to me that I'm in a very big majority where I do my boating, because when I won't go out there's usually no or very few other boats out, and when I reckon it's time to come in because of the conditions the rest are usually doing the same thing not long before or after me.
 

AW

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It seemed like it was 5' chop every Sunday afternoon on the way home around Eatons Neck in the 13' Whaler. Biggest chop I was ever in was 7' in the Stratford shoal in a 15' Whaler with the 70. The worst wind I was ever in was when hurricane Gloria came thru. The eye passed thru at about 11am, and I went out in Northport Bay about 3 in the afternoon. That was in the 15' Whaler with the 140, and an 8" setback and a 22" prop no less. When I tried to turn up wind in the 5' chop, the bow kept getting blown back down wind. It was a challenge to get home.<br /><br />Its really funny out here when they say how rough the Mississippi gets. It has plenty of dangers of its own, but big waves? Where?
 

AW

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Re: What's the worst conditions you'll go out in?

Originally posted by Tinkerer2:<br />It's occurred to me that I'm in a very big majority where I do my boating, because when I won't go out there's usually no or very few other boats out, and when I reckon it's time to come in because of the conditions the rest are usually doing the same thing not long before or after me.
And rightly so. Most boaters don't think it's fun to get their brains beat out by rough water. <br /><br />On the other hand, if you grew up in a 13...
 

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It is really easy for us, over 8 feet or less than 8 seconds and we do not launch unless we have calm winds and a improving forcast. We have a weather Buoy out 12 miles and every two hours conditions are updated. We have been out in 9 foot every 7 seconds with wind of 38 knots gusting to 44 and it was a dry safe ride back but no fun and we only caught about half of our normal load of fish. My boat is a 21 foot Crestliner.
 

mattttt25

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i really believe most people over-estimate the size of waves (much like fish stories, they grow with time ;) ).<br /><br />i've been through nasty stuff on the chesapeake bay in my 20' cc and simply didn't enjoy it. just no fun, except for the thrill of the ride. probably worse i've been on is 3 footers back to back. <br /><br />i've been in 6 footers on a jet ski, coming out of the inlet of mission bay, ca. they were slow rollers, so i just bobbed up and down over them. it was a bit freaky, as i never knew if another boat was in the trough right next to me. i got out quick.<br /><br />i've been in 15' seas on a u.s. navy destoyer off the coast of ca. it sucked. we were refueling from an oiler and the captain refused to cancel. it was a mess trying to stay the standard 150' off the oiler. everytime the sonar dome came out of the water and re-entered, it knocked us off course by 5 degrees. captain finally gave up after getting only 30% of our planned transfer.
 

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Living up here on the Northeast corner of Lake Ontario, with Prevailing SW winds, Getting Out is the tough part......<br />In My "Tin" boat(221 Starcraft Islander), Making headway at more than 6/8mph in any more than a 1 1/2' chop is a Very Rough Ride..... This makes for a Loonnnggg trip out to the fishing grounds....<br />I find if I get out Before the Sun gets Too High, It's Considerably Smoother... <br />Any day the Sun Shines, The Wind Will Blow, on Lake Ontario....<br />I'm Hopeing that my New(1973,25' Old Town "Atlantis") ride will be a Major Improvement......<br />Of course, the Advantage is,<br />It's Most Always Down Hill to the Trailer...........<br />AS far as How Big were the Waves ?? Biggest I've run were BIG..!! When in the trough, I could see Water.... On the Crest, I could see Forever.....
 
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