When is a riser junk?

jaymcjay

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I asked/replied the following here last night in a different thread, but I suppose due to it's age I didn't get much response1<br /><br />"<br />Ok, I've got a 1988 Chris-Craft 205 with the 4.3LX and an Alpha Drive. I seem to be experiencing similar problems as our friend who posted this originally. I just got the boat (cheap since it had milky oil). I changed the oil and took it to the river and ran it (gently) for a few minutes. I drained the oil and it was milky again. So, I pulled the plugs, and found one (#1) was wet. I immeadiatly though...bad head gasket! So, I tore the head off, looked it all over, and put in a new gasket. Well, tonight I took it back to the lake and the same little event happened all over again. I wouldn't mind putting a new motor in this thing if I thought it was the solution to the problem, but I think I'm a decent wrench, and I just have a hard time believing that I screwed up a head gasket job that bad. When I pulled the #1 plug water RUSHED out of the hole...<br />So, do I have a bad exhaust manifold? How do I check it? What type of shop do I take it to? Is this a job for a marina, or a machine shop? Are there rubber diaphragms in there that go bad? Should I replace both?<br />As a note, while I was running it in the lake tonight I noticed that there was quite a bit of gurgling noises comming from the region where the rubber hose clamps to the iron down-tube. I re-tightened the clamps, but it never really went away.<br />Oh, it all seems to run fine and has great oil pressure and compression.<br />Thanks to all that have borne with my longwindedness!<br />"<br /><br />Anhow, this evening I took the exhaust off, and the risers/elbows seem to be REALLY rusty/ falling apart. A fairly significant amount of the iron that controls the direction of the cooling water as it mixes with the exhaust is gon, about 2/3 I'd say. But, how bad is too bad? Both sides look the same, but I'm only getting water in the (if it was a car it would be the driver's side, but it's where my passenger sits) bank of cylinders and exhaust.<br />Where is all this iron junk going? Is it just getting caught up in the drive somehere?<br /><br />I cooked up another idea I'd like input on. Maybe I've got an exhaust lifter that's 'pumping up'? Would this leave my valve in an allways 'sorta' open state - allowing water into the valve-cover region and into the piston area as well?<br /><br />Thanks in advance for the help.
 

snapperbait

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Re: When is a riser junk?

"REALLY rusty/ falling apart."<br /><br />Your manifolds and risers are toast!... Cast iron will generally last 10 years in freshwater, 2-3 years in saltwater.. Thats it... If they're original, they've seen better days..<br /><br />Take them off and see if the water passages hold water... If any leaks out thru the cylinder head side exhaust ports, the manifolds are scrap iron..
 

art_yatsko

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Re: When is a riser junk?

I had same issues/experience. I have a 454, and am finishing head gasket replacement. The old gaskets were fine, so I set up the risers end to end. Caulked and then bolted them together. Looked like a big horse shoe laying on the bench. I then teed them up and filled the water side with paint thinner. (Was told thinner would be more appt to leak.) Result- no leak. <br /><br />Then made a cap w/gasket to cover the riser end of the manifold. Bolted it down, removed fill elbow and set up a gauge and garden hose. I filled them to 20 lbs. One tested fine, the other leaked at the gasket. The manifold "face" was slightly depressed. Had them machined (one was way off) and I re tasted both with no problems. 20lbs for 20 minutes, then 30 lbs for another 10. No runs, no drips......<br /><br />Good luck- Art
 

jaymcjay

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Re: When is a riser junk?

I guess aside from curiosity it doesn't really matter since I just bought a set off ebay a few minutes back, but why is the one side acting so differenly than the other? It's just weird, and I'd like to know that it won't happen again.<br />I looked the manifolds themselves over pretty well, and I think that they should be fine. The one in question was still holding water after 24 hours, so I'm thinking I'm in the clear there. Did anyone like my stuck lifer idea? I think it's a nice one, even if it's not right.<br />Do I get points for creativity?
 
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