Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

drumz2129

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I have been a member here for a while, though mainly lurking. I have been on the water all my life, stated out in a 12' aluminum with a 9.8 mercury (which I still have), I currently have a 15' '87 Stott Craft bass boat with a '79 140hp evinrude that I picked up about 6 years ago for $500. It had just enough room for my wife and I when we were childless (she loves to fish), now that we have two little ones, it is not practical. I think I have decided to sell it since it has been in the water once since my first child was born (now 2 1/2years old).

This is where my new project comes in. I have my grandpa's old boat that I have been keeping in my barn, out of the weather for the past 4 years. It is a 1978 16' Custom Craft w/ fantail and 1979 70hp Evinrude. My grandpa passed away when I was in 5th grade (I am now 28), the boat sat behind my dad's barn for years, then made it's way out into the pasture. The front was always elevated with the drain plug out so it held no water. Hurricane Rita knocked it off the trailer, which had rotten bunks and a rusted out tongue. I replaced the tongue, and built and carpeted new bunks and got it back on the trailer. I hauled the boat to my house to fix it up (over 5 years ago). The motor had been sitting for 15 years, so I pulled the plugs and filled the cylinders with penetrating oil before trying to turn the motor. It set for a week, I pulled the plugs and drained the cylinders and it turned over fine and had good compression. I cleaned the carbs and had it running in 30 minutes.

I know the 16 footer is still small for a family of 4 to go out on, and do have plans of eventually getting a pontoon boat later down the line for going out on the river, but this is what I am working with for now and with its deep sides, it is an improvement over my current bass boat. The main reason I am fixing up this boat is because of sentimental attachment to it. I remember going shrimping with my grandpa and dad when I was small, pulling a 30 or 35' troll (hence the fan tail). My grandpa had a culling board that he had made out of cedar, he removed the windshields and put it in front of the split consoles. I would sit on the front casting deck with a pair of gloves and tongs and thrown the gar and mullet over board.

Here are my questions :
1) The motor. At one point my grandpa decided to change the gear oil him self and filled it from the top. The next trip pulling the troll burned the foot up. He found a replacement foot at a good price (too good). They changed the foot, and the next time they went to launch, they found out that the foot must have been off of a counter rotation motor since reverse was now forward and forward was now reverse. This did not effect them much since pulling the troll was a low speed ordeal any way. It only came into play when trying to out run a storm.

Here is my options, The hull is rated for 75 or 80hp, Ill have to check the tag. I originally purchased my bass boat to pull the 140hp motor (its hull is rated for a 90hp) or the foot and put on this boat. After seeing that the bass boat only needed carpet and a good buffing/polishing I decided to fix it up back then. I have a 1980 115hp Johnson V4 that is in good running condition, but part of the cavitation plate above the prop and a piece of the fin at the bottom of the foot are broken off (it came off a boat that was used in a impounded lake with lots of submerged trees and stumps). I also have another 1979 70hp evinrude I picked up for $75 as a parts motor that went under saltwater during Rita and ceased the motor, however the foot is in great shape, no chips or bends, shifts fine, and spins freely in neutral. As a bonus it also had a practically new SS prop in a pitch I did not have, so now I have a 15, 17, 19, and 23 that will fit all 3 of these running motors.

Obviously the 140hp is overkill, the easy answer seems to be put the foot off the locked motor on the motor that is currently mounted to the boat. Is there any reason I should look at changing to the 115 v4? would the good foot of the 3cyl 70hp mount to the v4 115 if I did?

2)Structural integrity
The hull and transom are in great shape and very solid, The casting deck is soft around where the seat post was once mounted and the edge of the plywood is exposed. I plan to cut the casting deck out completely and rebuild it. I will most likely close in the rear access hole and put two top mount hatches to gain access and keep everything inside dry. I will also likely relocate the batteries to the under the casting deck. The fuel tank will probably stay in the rear.

The fan tail is soft at one rear corner from throwing the doors on it. I plan to completely remove the fan tail since I never plan on pulling a troll. Is there any reason I should leave it?

There is once spot on the outside of the hull, about the size of a quarter, where a piece of the rusted bunk board mount went into the side of the hull. It did not go all the way through, just through the top coat (will post picture later). My plan is to clean out any loose material with a die grinder and fill with a two part epoxy. Would this be suitable? Being such a small spot I am not too worried about the look of the repair, I just want it to hold and be water tight.

Here are some pictures from the first time I began working on this boat. The only thing that is different is each dash has a large piece of 1/4" brushed aluminum where the steering wheel mounts (mount welded in) and covering where the glove box once was (may mount a radio later). I still have one of the windshields and the top frame which needs new canvas.

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drumz2129

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

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Jeep Man

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

Welcome to the forum Drumz. I can't help with your questions but I will suggest you have a moderator move your thread over to the restoration section for better response.
 

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

Drumz: Your writeup is so long and drawn out that I don't know what you're wanting to do. All the engine parts swapping is more than my Attention Deficit Disorder can take. KISS
 

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

Hard to tell you.

Family memories = 1 boat. Is the boat HIGH enough to keep the kids in if you jump a wake / wave ?
I put my teeth 3" from the pipe on the top of the windshield unexpectedly.
More people / weight in a overpowered boat is water into the boat time, when anchored solidly.

No kids is a do what you want deal.
Kids that young. I let you decide what you should do to protect them.
 

drumz2129

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

Welcome to the forum Drumz. I can't help with your questions but I will suggest you have a moderator move your thread over to the restoration section for better response.

Thanks for the suggestion. Origonally the post was more about motor selection, but turned into a history of the boat/restoration thread, sorry :redface: Can a mod please move the thread to the appropriate subforum?
 

drumz2129

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

Hard to tell you.

Family memories = 1 boat. Is the boat HIGH enough to keep the kids in if you jump a wake / wave ?
I put my teeth 3" from the pipe on the top of the windshield unexpectedly.
More people / weight in a overpowered boat is water into the boat time, when anchored solidly.

No kids is a do what you want deal.
Kids that young. I let you decide what you should do to protect them.

There are no plans of jumping wakes or waves, though nothing is impossible. While the kids are this small the boat will only be used for putting down the river, maybe take a ride to the park, throw some crabbing lines overboard at the saltwater barrier, the kind of things to get them used to being on the water at a young age. I have decided to stick with the 70hp motor that is mounted, since I know the history of it and put the proper rotation foot on it. Thanks for your view on the subject.
 

cyclops2

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

I am sure you would not jump waves.

I sure as hell did NOT INTEND to jump that wave. It caught me by suprise at 50 mph. Totally did not see it untill it was too late. Busy looking at all the gauges readings on the first WOT checkout with no boats around.
Well a big cruiser was over a mile away throwing a huge wake.

Having too much fun to think defensively is my only excuse.

All the best to you & your family on the water.

Rich
 

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

I tried to follow your post, I really did, but got lost around the bass boat foot swapping part. :p

Anyway, that Custom Craft looks perfectly good to me. If the structure is as solid as you say it is I would definitely clean it up and enjoy it. I may be a fine family craft for now. You didn't say how "big" your family is. What's fine for 170lb guy his 120lb wife and 2 50lb kids won't be comfortable for a family that weighs twice that. Does the hull have a weight capacity plate on it? That should hive you a good idea of how many people you can safely carry with the weight properly distributed.

It sounds like you have a good plan for the front deck. Rebuild the fantail and add a ladder just because it looks cool and I think it would make a great swim platform for little kids. Add some back to back style seats and enjoy it until you're ready to get a bigger boat. The 70 will probably scoot along just fine, so do what you have to to get it right and run it.
 

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

I tried to follow your post, I really did, but got lost around the bass boat foot swapping part. :p

Anyway, that Custom Craft looks perfectly good to me. If the structure is as solid as you say it is I would definitely clean it up and enjoy it. I may be a fine family craft for now. You didn't say how "big" your family is. What's fine for 170lb guy his 120lb wife and 2 50lb kids won't be comfortable for a family that weighs twice that. Does the hull have a weight capacity plate on it? That should hive you a good idea of how many people you can safely carry with the weight properly distributed.


It sounds like you have a good plan for the front deck. Rebuild the fantail and add a ladder just because it looks cool and I think it would make a great swim platform for little kids. Add some back to back style seats and enjoy it until you're ready to get a bigger boat. The 70 will probably scoot along just fine, so do what you have to to get it right and run it.


Im sorry about that, my wife tells me I tend to get carried away in the details. :facepalm:

Im 210, she is 130, my 2.5 is 25lbs and the little one will not be going out until she is older (7 month old). I will have to see if there is still a plate that specs the hull capacity. There is a seat in front of each console, one with storage, other live well. I can either put the swivel seats like it had or go with back to backs like you suggest since the consoles are so far forward. The only problem with that will be the temptation to hold more people with the extra seating. Ill cross that bridge when I get to it.

What is usually the purpose of a fan tail on the back of a boat? We always used it to hold the doors of the troll when pulling the net in.
 

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

Im sorry about that, my wife tells me I tend to get carried away in the details. :facepalm:

I'm 210, she is 130, my 2.5 is 25lbs and the little one will not be going out until she is older (7 month old). I will have to see if there is still a plate that specs the hull capacity. There is a seat in front of each console, one with storage, other live well. I can either put the swivel seats like it had or go with back to backs like you suggest since the consoles are so far forward. The only problem with that will be the temptation to hold more people with the extra seating. Ill cross that bridge when I get to it.

What is usually the purpose of a fan tail on the back of a boat? We always used it to hold the doors of the troll when pulling the net in.

I'm not claiming any responsibility for you posting your wifes weight. Hope you don't wind up sleeping in the boat.:D
The pont is, you are average sized folks who aren't going to have a problem co-existing on a 16 foot boat. I would be more concerned if you were 400 the wife 200 and the kids 75.

Anyway. I didn't even see the seats in front of the console. Those would be perfect for the kiddies, they won't be able to get themselves into trouble without you or the wife seeing it. Some cushions on them, and a pair of swivel seats like you said and you're set. Being a pretty square bow there's plenty of deck space, and lots of stability for fishing and crabbing.

I'm not sure if the fantail really serves any purpose besides what you used to do with it, but it's a unique feature and you remember what it was for. So that makes it cool enough to keep in my opinion.
 

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HI drumz. Welcome to iboats. I'm curious about the platform on the back of the boat. It is used as a poling platform/rear casting deck, or is more of a splash guard? I've bee toying with trying to add a poling platform to my boat and your design has me intrigued.
 

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HI drumz. Welcome to iboats. I'm curious about the platform on the back of the boat. It is used as a poling platform/rear casting deck, or is more of a splash guard? I've bee toying with trying to add a poling platform to my boat and your design has me intrigued.

I am not too sure what the original intention of the design was for, but I do know it is known as a 'fan tail'. I dont think it is a splash guard, since there is a decent sized splash well across the transom. My grandpa always used it to put the doors of the troll net on when pulling the net in. I imagine it is strong enough to stand on to use as a polling platform. It seems to be constructed of 3/4" plywood sandwiched between multiple layers of fiberglass. There is a angle brace under each side to help support the rear end of the fantail. I was planning on completely removing it, but now I am starting to consider cutting the top layer of glass off, scraping out the existing wood, gluing in a new piece of marine grade plywood and re capping it. I have only found two downsides of having the fantail, it takes an extra 1 1/2 foot of room when parking in the barn and makes removing the motor a PITA.
 

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

maybe there's away to make it detachable? bolt it on when you need it, remove it when you don't?
 

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maybe there's away to make it detachable? bolt it on when you need it, remove it when you don't?

If I were to completely cut it off and rebuild a new one, possibly. It is glasses to the gunwale and transom fairly good. I will most likely go around the top edge with a cut off wheel or my multimaster, try to remove the top glass cap as once piece and just replace the existing wood. If that doesn't work, I will most likely remove the whole thing.
 

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I cleaned out all the junk and sprayed the boat down with the water hose this past weekend trying to decide what my plans are.
I have decided to keep the 70horse, but change the foot to the correct rotation, rebuild the front casting deck, and rebuild the rear fantail instead of removing it. I need to cut the cap off of the seat base pad where the driver seat pedestal mounts since it feels a little soft. The boat was used for years with the pedestals removed and the screw holes not caulked. Hopefully I will be able to see the stringers from there and check the condition under the deck with a bore scope. From what I can tell the deck seems firm and solid.

I am not sure what to to about the topside, it is in pretty good condition but if you put your forearm on certain areas, you get an arm full of glass. Will just painting it take care of this? do I need to apply another coat of resin or gel coat? I have also considered some of the liner type coatings like durabak which from my understanding can be applied right over what I have now. Has anyone done this?

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Hey there sir. wanted to say you got a nice lil fishing boat for you and your family. I'm working on mine slowly but surely. It always seems that you don'tget as much done as you want. Everytime you get going on something I got my 5 & 7 yr old hollering I'm hungery! I'm thirsty! part of the joys of a family haha but we keep going. working on re upolstering the front seats. Good luck and just keep at it.
 

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For your top cap, You might want to look into Valspar Tractor paint with the added hardener. It is an Acrylic Enamel Oil Base Paint and it provides an excellent High Gloss, durable topside finish. You can even use it on your hull as long as you don't plan on leaving your boat in the water for more than a week at a time. You can Roll n' Tip it or Spray it for under $80 bucks. Sanding the areas of exposed glass should be sufficient. Once the two coats of Primer and the 3 coats of Final Color is applied, she'll be sealed.

Page #10 of my "My Flamingo" thread listed in my signature below has details on how to prep and apply the Paint I suggested. Used it on the top cap of my boat and my Trailer with Great Results.
 

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Hey there sir. wanted to say you got a nice lil fishing boat for you and your family. I'm working on mine slowly but surely. It always seems that you don'tget as much done as you want. Everytime you get going on something I got my 5 & 7 yr old hollering I'm hungery! I'm thirsty! part of the joys of a family haha but we keep going. working on re upolstering the front seats. Good luck and just keep at it.

I know what you are talking about, I have a 2 year old and a 7 month old, both girls. The two year old wants to help with everything.
 

drumz2129

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Re: Which direction should I go with this rebuild?

For your top cap, You might want to look into Valspar Tractor paint with the added hardener. It is an Acrylic Enamel Oil Base Paint and it provides an excellent High Gloss, durable topside finish. You can even use it on your hull as long as you don't plan on leaving your boat in the water for more than a week at a time. You can Roll n' Tip it or Spray it for under $80 bucks. Sanding the areas of exposed glass should be sufficient. Once the two coats of Primer and the 3 coats of Final Color is applied, she'll be sealed.

Page #10 of my "My Flamingo" thread listed in my signature below has details on how to prep and apply the Paint I suggested. Used it on the top cap of my boat and my Trailer with Great Results.

Thanks for the information. I wasn't sure I was going to want to sink in the extra money to gel coat or durabak the top cap and your recommendation seems to be the way to go. I know the boat isn't worth the time or money I will put into it to most, but I have many memories of my grandpa in this boat. If stored out of the sun, how long do you think the tractor paint will last?
 
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